I Have one more choice to make before I buy.

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davygp38

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I decided to start a new thread, about my search for the perfect trailer for my needs. I had asked previously about the best deal on a gooseneck trailer, and also got a lot of advice. It boils down to this. I need a trailer that is big enough to move a full sized backhoe, from time to time, and possibly a small dozer, both around 15000 pounds max. I am putting a deposit down next week, and I am trying to decide between a 19+5 triaxel 21000 gvw, and a 24+5 tandem dually 24000 pounds. I know I should go for the bigger trailer,just for the one time I need it, and I know I'll need it. The difference on price is only $1100, and for that, the bigger trailer comes with two 12000 pound jacks, and a full size spring assisted ramp. I want some opinions, I do not do a lot of trailering, maybe 8-10 times a year, but I am moving an 8000 pound tlb etc, and I am looking for a dozer, and full size back hoe, Case 580 etc. My truck is a ford super duty f250, with a v10. I usually do not go to far, 30 miles tops.
 
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As an ex owner operator of tractor trailers, my personal choice would be the dually tandem. Both for the added legal weight and more so,, a dually tired trailer will "follow" the path much, much easier than a single tire axle times three axles,, With the tri axle, at every turn, you will be scuffing the tires and prematurely be wearing them out and very quickly I may add..
 
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I know I should go for the bigger trailer,just for the one time I need it,

Did you just answerer your own question?:laughing::thumbsup:

Note the comments of the previous poster.:thumbsup:
 
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I had a 25' tandem GN that was rated at 25,000#. It would have done what you wanted but weighed almost 6,000# empty. While I love the Fords I really think you are going to find out you need a bigger truck. A F-350 dually with the V-10 will do the job.

I was in the same situation as you back in 04. I had a spanking new F-250 Diesel 4x4 and a 10,000# boat. We had a baby and the wife said we need a boat with heat and AC if I wanted to continue living on the boat 3 nights a week like we were. So late that season I bought a new boat that weighed 15,600# and the F-250 was just not enough. I then bought a SRW Dmax 3500 1 ton 4x4 and it was not enough plus had tons of issues so 9 months later got a new 2006 F-350 and it will handle this load and more. I have towed 25,000# 8 or so times with it 30 miles each way with no issues.

Sorry for the Debbie Downer but just keeping it real. Its going to be expensive but do it right and be safe.

Chris
 
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I had a 25' tandem GN that was rated at 25,000#. It would have done what you wanted but weighed almost 6,000# empty. While I love the Fords I really think you are going to find out you need a bigger truck. A F-350 dually with the V-10 will do the job.

I was in the same situation as you back in 04. I had a spanking new F-250 Diesel 4x4 and a 10,000# boat. We had a baby and the wife said we need a boat with heat and AC if I wanted to continue living on the boat 3 nights a week like we were. So late that season I bought a new boat that weighed 15,600# and the F-250 was just not enough. I then bought a SRW Dmax 3500 1 ton 4x4 and it was not enough plus had tons of issues so 9 months later got a new 2006 F-350 and it will handle this load and more. I have towed 25,000# 8 or so times with it 30 miles each way with no issues.

Sorry for the Debbie Downer but just keeping it real. Its going to be expensive but do it right and be safe.

Chris

In this case I think the bigger issue is the choice of GN over a tag trailer. I recall the rule of thumb on a GN is 20% of loded trailer weight on the pin. In your examples you will be looking at between 4K and almost 5K of weight sitting in your bed. Even with bags, Timbrens, whatever you can't stick 5K pounds over the rear axle of an F250 (unless I am missing something)
 
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I was in a similar situation a while back, debating between a tri-axle and a dually. Ran a thread, tri-axle vs dually tandem, and ended up with a Load-Max tandem dually with 12K axles, absolutely love it. However, am pulling it with the F-350 diesel. Pulled this load 400+ miles, the truck and trailer did great.

good luck!
 

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I guess I did answer my own question. I can't seem to pull the trigger on spending over $200 without covering all the bases though, so I had to ask for options. As far as my truck goes, I am not to worried about pulling the trailer. That V10 motor pulls great. I have 1500 pound helpers 3000 pound combined springs on the rear. since I have to get the right trailer this time, I'll have to muddle through until I can get a new truck. I don't usually go to far, or to fast. But my current trailer is to small, and it has to go, before I have a wreck.
 
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I guess I did answer my own question. I can't seem to pull the trigger on spending over $200 without covering all the bases though, so I had to ask for options. As far as my truck goes, I am not to worried about pulling the trailer. That V10 motor pulls great. I have 1500 pound helpers 3000 pound combined springs on the rear. since I have to get the right trailer this time, I'll have to muddle through until I can get a new truck. I don't usually go to far, or to fast. But my current trailer is to small, and it has to go, before I have a wreck.

No doubt about the V-10. My uncle has had two and they are the next best thing to a diesel.

Keep a eyes on them rear tires. Its easy to overload a SRW truck with all them suspension helpers.

Chris
 
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In this case I think the bigger issue is the choice of GN over a tag trailer. I recall the rule of thumb on a GN is 20% of loded trailer weight on the pin. In your examples you will be looking at between 4K and almost 5K of weight sitting in your bed. Even with bags, Timbrens, whatever you can't stick 5K pounds over the rear axle of an F250 (unless I am missing something)

Just to stick something out there, we did put 4.5k in the bed of a stock Chevy 2500 extended cab, long bed, 4x4. Only things not stock is the tires. You definitely knew it was back there, especially since we don't have a diesel, (we have a 6.0l V8), but it did handle ok. We don't have any helper springs.

Kyle
 
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Davy my thoughts are coming from more accidental ownership of a F700 16' flat bed hoist truck, 310B JD backhoe and tri-axle heavy equipment trailer. Take them with a grain of salt because unlike you I could not justify the purchase from a financial point of view so I spent less then $11K on the above set up.


Trailer: You expect to use it ever month or two months of the year for like a 30 mile trip with a load up to 7.5 tons. You would like a trailer that weights about 2.5 tons. If you wanted to really be safe you could say you wanted a truck that was rated to tow 15 ton (30,000 pounds) but one maxed out with your proposed 20,000 pound load hitched to your bumper or GN ball would be OK for the 30 mile pulls where you would not need to get over 45 MPH and still do the trip in one hour.

Not sure how much over 20,000 pounds your truck is rated to tow but I am sure you have that info.

As noted by another every ton you can shave off of trailer weight the less truck you will need. A tri-axle should tow just fine at 70+ MPH and while tire scuffing can occur when you have more than one axle at your planned 400-800 mile of use per year it is non issue. They are easier to spot and change a flat plus they have less drag if you are tracking the ground. While a tri-axle may be a few feet longer on average they may let you position your load better to manage tongue weight.

With the loads you are talking about that should not be an issue but when when I borrowed my BIL two axle backhoe trailer to haul the 265 MF without a loader but with a HEAVY 7' bush hog I had a negative tongue weight of 200 pounds. Not a fun trip hitting bumps and all that clucking going on but it was not issue truck wise thankfully for that 15 mile trip.

Being a man I have to say the dually trailer looks more manly and they are good for 25,000 pounds total weight. :)

Yes this is pro tri-axle post just because you have a pro dually post already. :)

You might keep your deposit until you "own" the 7.5 ton piece of equipment. If your 250 will only safely tow 9 ton or less you could look at a set up just for towing the few times a year with a nice older dump truck and a 12.5 ton factory build HD equipment trailer. Today that set up can be had for about $5K to $10K if you do not get fancy plus it gives you a materials handling truck. I went with a flat bed because I was reliving the past. :laughing:

The down side is the up keep of another vehicle. For my own personal use the insurance is $250 a year and taxes/tags is another $50 a year cost.

Let us know where you put your money.
 

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