IH 430 Baler Knotter not engaging

[wyrmat1]

HELP!! I am trying to refurbish a IH430 baler, i had everything turning correctly with the needles moving etc but now the knotter will not engage when turning by hand and tripping the knotter. Whatever is driving the knotter does not seem to engage and a such does not start the cycle, i can turn he knotter by hand to set needles ect.
This started after i lifted the knotters to clean all old twine from them and whilst in the up position i turned the knotter hub by hand to bring the needles into the chamber to string the twine, since then the knotter will not engage.
Have I wrecked it somehow despite only turning by hand all the time

 

[KYErik]

You said that you lifted the knotters up- are you sure that you have them reinstalled properly and properly seated? You will need to figure out what drives them and work your way backwards to see why they are no longer moving.

 

[wyrmat1]

Yes they are located OK, i think the problem must reside between the drive cog and the knotter housing, when the trip lifts all the levers seem to go in the right position but nothing seems to engage to turn the knotter, i have had it in many different positions but to no avail, i have a manual but it is not to clear around this point, i anyone can tell me exactly what the timing should be it will help

 

[wyrmat1]

Back in trouble again, after sorting the trip mechanism I took my knotters off for refurb and cannot seem to get them back on correctly so they work, they just jam on the outer gear on the breast plate, i am now getting desperate, i have a manual and have tried to install them as shown i pictures but no go, any idea please and if pictures available all the better