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g42guy

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Hey all you Ingersoll guys, I just looked at the web site and wow the 4016/18s look great! They look like they would fit my needs from my other post (Newby needs help). How are the to mow a lawn with? I noticed they do not have as tight of turning as many others. Read my other post and let me know what you think. Also a fair price for the 4016 or 4018.Thanks
 
   / Ingersoll!! #2  
I can attest to the strength of an Ingersoll. I recently sold my 3000 series and have been considering a 4000 series as an interim step to a compact. In retrospect, I kind of regret
selling my little 3012. It was a great little tractor.

The Ingersoll decks are very good and will give you a superb cut. It is true that they're not the tightest turning machines out there, but the "heavy-duty" build quality may offset that limitation. I recommend that you test-drive one to make sure that it meets your partcular "turning" requirements.

The 4000 series has an even bigger wheelbase that might pose some challenges if you have many trees to go around.

Ingersolls are pretty expensive machines that hold their value as well as some of the other colors out there. The dealer network is not as extensive as competing brands, but you can usually find a dealer within an hour's drive. You did not post your location in your bio, so you might want to refer to
this link for a dealer in your particular area:

http://www.nhlawn.com/ingersoll.html


Happy tractor hunting and take your time if you can!
 
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Well, Kevin told you most of what I was going to , but heres a few more. I also had herd about the turning radis of the Ingersolls. When I got mine I was suprised to see it turned tighter then any mower I have used./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif My other tractors where old JD110, and 112's. I have not driven any of the new tractors, but I would not worry about the turning, you will have to do some trimming anyway, so anouther inch or so is not going to make that much of a difference. Also I was at my dealer this weekend picking up somthing for my 224[ya, somthing broke, but it does have over 1600 hours on it] and they had a 4016 that I was looking at. I do not rember the exact price, but it was in the 5grand range. This came with the deck, and had armrests on the seat. Looked nice. Have you seen them in person yet? If not find a dealer, and take a look. They are tanks.
 
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G 42 Guy…

I had a Case/Ingersol 446 for 11 years and got it used. It had a 60 inch deck, I also added a tiller, snowblower, front blade, and snow cab, all used equipment. I thought it was a great tractor and it gave me a lot of years of good use. I traded up to a Kubota BX 2200 and just love the machine. I was seriously thinking of staying with the Ingersol brand because I could use all the attachments from the 446 with the new tractor. But when I looked at the price for a new Ingersol, $8400 vs. a BX for $9500, and what you get with the BX, it was an easy decision for me. The biggest pain I found was taking the deck off when ever I needed to use the tiller or blade. So many parts to deal with and laying on your back to get everything together just got real old after a while. The dealer told me they have not changed the design since 1972, well this is 2002 , think it is time to make those attachments just a little more easy to get on and off. Do not get me wrong, I think the Ingersol is a solid tractor, they just need to update the design. I looked at a lot of tractors before going with the Kubota. But when you look at what you get, diesel engine, 4 wheel drive, 3 pt hitch, front end loader, power steering, tons of attachments and a even a drink holder! Attachments come off so easy no more laying on the ground getting everything to come together. You may want to look at the BX2200 and evaluate your needs, Kubota has some great interest rates! If you can swing the extra $$$, you will not be sorry. Oh I sold my Ingersol unit with all the attachments for $2500. I guess considering I had about $4500 into the unit and I used it for 11 years, that is not bad. Just make sure you have a dealer close by for parts, etc. Parts are a little high I thought, I had to replace the engine dip stick it was $30!. Just my 2 cents.

Tom
 
   / Ingersoll!! #5  
I've had my 2 446's for 6 years. Mow around many trees and find the turning exceptional, gets close enough so I don't often have to go back with the string trimmer. Like I mentioned in your other post "they're tanks". I'm including a pic of the area I mow through (not right now of course) it's still set up to plow. The reason I picked up a second one was to keep one for the gardening chores and one for the mowing chores.
 

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Here's one of the machine!
 

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I have a 88' 448. It's a pretty good tractor but after 500hrs its been a money pit about every 50hrs. I typically put 70-100 hrs on it a year depending how much I use it in the winter. I mow around 3 acres, plenty of yard/garden chores and a 600ft driveway to clear in the winter

The dealer parts are very expensive. I've resorted to many other outlets, which means I usally do some research prior to getting the parts I need to save some money.
I agree with the Kubota guy. If you can aford it, buy it. Its a much better tractor. Also the 400 series JD is much better too. They have dif-lock on the rear ends and many modern features that make them more desiable. Ingersoll rarely updates theirs.
Attaching the mower deck is a P.I.T.A. About 15-20 min. There are for hitch points that need pins & keys, not to mention the separate front mount part.

Mine has a 60" deck that cuts very good once I swaped a smaller drive pulley onto it (higher blade speed). The onan engine is the best part of the tractor. It supplies plenty of power even at 18hp.

The rest is a diary of my tractor, I know its long winded but see for yourself.
 @400 hrs had to replace the timing belts for the second time. Even when tensioned properly the mounting cover screws wear the backside of the belts through when the belt vibrates or slaps under load. Fix: Weld in carriage bolts, so the stud sticks up and slot the end of the covers. Now the covers are attached with ¼-20 nuts & washers. After 360hrs of use they haven’t needed replacing and the belts still look perfect. Ingersoll cost for timing belts $69 ea. I bought them through Grainger for $27 each, but had to wait a day for delivery.
 @450 hrs. 2 Steering tie rods. One had broken away, and one of the others was badly worn. $45?
 @500 hrs. New brake band. $35. Later on found the part in Northern tool for less than $12.
 @ 600 hrs: New mower deck linkage, all the pivot points where severely worn, causing it to rattle quite a bit. $85, some welding and time in the machine shop at work, also made stainless steel bushings for the pivot points.
 @767 hrs. Added a Parker hydraulic filter, the standard one seemed rather undersized and wasn’t eaisly retorfited to 1” return line hose because of the 3/8” npt fittings.
 @ 690 hrs: New power take of clutch (pads, springs and bearings), pads were completely worn, some of the bearings were “notchy feeling”. ($170) If my lawn didn’t need mowing immediately I would have replaced the clutch with a higher HP rated Ogura mag clutch for about the same price. But Ogura had a four-week lead-time.
 @ 720 hrs: New voltage regulator, original one was no longer charging. ($70 Ingersoll, $48 Stens @ small engine repair shop)
 @ 740hrs: New outer axle shaft and bearings on 60” mowing deck, due to a weld failure at the blade mounting to the shaft, (didn’t hit anything $135).
 @ 750 hrs: Machined a new front center axle pivot shaft and had to weld on new bushings – steering was very sloppy due to worn shaft and frame bushings. (4-5hrs of my time)
 @ 767 hrs: New hydraulic pump & coupler. Cause: over presuization of the pump caused it to stop which in turn caused the keyway to become smeared on the shaft from the engine still running. Ingersoll cost $540 for the pump & $226 for coupling set, totaling $766. I bought the standard D27 Parker pump new for $140 and swapped the rear covers. I purchased the same 099 Lovejoy coupling/insert from Northern Tool for $15.98 and paid $6.00 for shipping & handling. Totaling $162. I noticed Parker classifies this is an inexpensive pump, it’s not rated for over 3000 rpm and over 2000 psi, yet it typically operates at 3600 rpm and 2250 psi. I realize motor oil is better fluid medium than hydraulic fluid, but this is certainly not an over-specified pump like I would expect in a robust design.
 @ 767hrs: New mid lift cylinder. The mounting pin was pushed out through the housing sleeve. Cause: Over presuizatoin of the lift circuit – due to rubber particulate build up in the relief valve which prevented it from relieving any pressure. A filter as on the new tractors would have prevented this buildup. Also the pin should be located farther up the sleeve or reinforcements welded on the backside. ($160) In my engineering opinion this component should never have to be replaced and it’s awfully expensive for such an inexpensive design.
 
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Tim,
Sorry to hear your having so much trouble with your 448. I've had 2 (somewhere in the 70's) 446's for going on 6 years. The largest expense I've had on both of them is hydraulic pumps. One had a failing hydraulic pump when I got it and the other finally gave out. Other than that I had to replace the differential carrier bolts on each one. I did put an 18 HP Onan in one, but that was because I got a deal on the engine and wanted to see if it would fit. I use these tractors to the max. I plow fields(2 -3 acres) with a single bottom plow, disc, rototill and plow snow all winter. I don't baby them, but I do keep up on my maintenance (grease, oil changes, etc.) In my mind they are little tanks. They've done all I asked them to do and more.

Granted there are some jobs where a larger tractor would do a better and faster job. I'm working on getting one, but these little buggers never cease to amaze me.

Did the owner before you beat this unit up? I know a lot of guys that have them and they all love them.
 
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I got it with 300hrs on it. The prior owner didn’t grease the hard to reach spots. I noticed some of the grease was dry and dirty. Which likely caused the front axle pivot to wear prematurely, but I from the number of postings this seems to be a common problem. Since then I have been very meticulous on keeping the maintenance up.
I do like the tractor, and I keep hoping after I fix something that I won’t have to work on it for a while, but that hasn’t been the case lately. It’s still less expensive than buying a new one. With all the maintenance cost I have about $3600 into it, not teribly bad for an 18hp tractor that has 60” mower, lawn vac, trailer, snow blower, 1 bottom plow, rear pto & 3pt hitch
Now after all the fixes and mods, it's probibly better than a new one.
Tim
 
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You can replace the front axle pivot with a piece of galvanized pipe of the same size at a fraction of the big bucks the dealer gets for the same part. For hydraulic hoses it's cheaper to have them made up locally. I rebuilt my underbelly hydraulic cylinder with parts ("O" rings and seals) from a local supplier. Just took the old ones in and matched them up. Any time you can get a generic part from any one other than the dealer your dollars ahead.
 

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