Is blasting legal any more?

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Tom_H

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My topsoil is clay, 1-4' deep. The subsoil is a water impermeable silica-cemented durapan (a specific type of hardpan) that is anywhere from 4'-16' thick. (That's feet, not inches.) Below the durapan is a layer of moist sand several feet or more thick. The theory is that the volcano at Mammoth Mountain exploded 200,000 yr. ago and laid down a layer of silica all over the CA central valley. This stuff leached down and cemented the claypan below it into a concrete like sedimentary rock.

The clay on top of that is younger than the volcanic stuff. The surface is flat and so the top layer of clay turns into muck in winter because the water can't flow away nor downwards. It's horrible for growing most anything except hay, unless it's restructured.

Vintners have discovered that it is fertile, IF you can create drainage. Some use CAT D11-Rs with 8' rippers to rip the durapan in 3 directions and get drainage. After a few years, it starts to recement itself though. One vintner recently took a giant CAT BH (actually a front hoe) on a 20' arm and dug trenches down into the wet sand layer and mixed the various soil types together before refilling the trenches.

I have 5 acres and just want to plant some trees. In the places where the topsoil clay is only 1 ft. thick, (1.5 acres), I need to bust through this hardpan (again, this ain't thin little plowpan, it's 4-16' thick concrete like stuff.) to get some drainage. The D11 is out; it's $5k just for permits and escort vehicles. I'm also checking into big augers, from phone pole sized up to dry well sized. Another option is hiring a construction sized BH to dig through and mix the various soil types.

An option I haven't thought too much about is drilling some narrow holes and sticking explosives down to shatter the durapan. I live in a rural area, but the closest neighbor's house is 250' away and some federally protected vernal pools are also about that far away. Here are my questions: Since all this terror business, do places sell any explosives anymore? Do you have to get permits? If you try to buy any or even ask, do the feds come do their interrogation routine? How much do blasting contractors cost and how do they compute the amount they charge?
 
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I like the drywell method. If you backfill with gravel, you could run drainage to the drywell from the top workable layer. Just like a backwards dewatering well.

Your outfall will be the hole you augered through the impermeable layer. So long as the sand below can suck it up.
 
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I don't know about blasting for what you are doing, But I run a seismic company that does oil exploration. We use relatively small charges and we never put them closer than 600' to anything (water well, oil well, pond, house, etc). I doubt you will be safe doing anykind of blasting with a house 250' away. You could crack their foundation on their house.
 
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Thanks bdog, sounds like the blasting is out.

Highbeam, my thoughts were to make a hole through the pan for each single tree, take all the different soils out, mix, put back in. That way moisture could not only drain down, but stay down lower for roots to reach. Also, I want to plant some deep rooted trees, so I need to loosen up the pan beneath each tree so the roots can have a place to go. I've talked to guys with small augers, medium sized (like drilling for phone poles), and the drywell size guys, as well as a couple of guys with commercial TLBs that can backhoe to about 16'. None are able to estimate how much time it'll take to dig through the pan because there are so many unknown variables. I might have to have each come do a trial run for me.

Any other thoughts as to which of these methods would be most efficient and cost effective are much appreciated.
 
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I agree.. we've done some mining blasting, and the explosive handle won't set a charge within 1000' of any improved sturcture..

Soundguy
 
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Ok, now I have some questions:

What is a vintner?

What is a vernal pool?

Fish live in water. Why would you want to blast in dirt?
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Fish live in water. Why would you want to blast in dirt? )</font>

Texas my rear you're from Louisiana. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Ok, now I have some questions:

What is a vintner?)</font>

A person who grows vines (as in grape vines, to make wine). He usually also is the winemaker, although some vintners just sell to another winemaker.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What is a vernal pool?)</font>

Vernal is Latin for springtime, as in the vernal equinox (first day of spring) and the autumnal equinox (first day of fall), both of which have 12 hr. of sun and 12 hr. of night. Our land is mostly flat. This clay is underlain by the waterproof durapan. There are depressions in some places. In the winter these fill up and become small pools. In these pools live brine shrimp and a few of the native grasses that were here before Europeans came. European grasses have displaced all native grasses in the CA Central Valley except for these vernal pools where the native grasses grow as the water evaporates in the springtime. These vernal pools are federally protected. If I blasted and cracked the pan below one of these pools, moking the water leak out, I'd be in deep you-know-what with the feds.

My property has no vernal pools on it, so it's legal to dig through the pan on my land. I'd still appreciate any thoughts on the best way to dig holes through this stuff so I can plant trees. I need drainage so the soil isn't waterlogged and I need soil loosened up around the tree area too so the roots have a place to spread: backhoe, phone pole drilling auger (18" x 16'), dry well drilling auger (36-48" wide x 20-36' deep). All opinions welcome.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Fish live in water. Why would you want to blast in dirt?)</font>

/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif When I was 15, my 75 y.o. great uncle used to take me fishin' all the time. ' bored me to tears. I needed life to be full of motion and noise. I couldn't fathom why on God's earth anyone would want to sit still for hours at a time in a totally quiet place, miles away from any female, waitin' for a blue gill or a red fin to bite. Now that I'm closin' in on his age, I get it. Maybe when you're older you too will understand what fishin's really about. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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