Terry, Homier used to come to our little town twice a year with tractor/trailer loads of stuff and set up shop, just for the weekend, in the town's rodeo/convention center and did a booming business. My brother & I usually went and we've bought a number of things from them. But I would never buy anything that cost more than I could afford to throw away next week. I bought a bench grinder that worked for about 10 minutes, and I eventually got part of my money back (not all). Both my brother and I bought "identical" 4" vises. Mine lasted just fine; his broke the second time he used it. I bought a "reconditioned" 18 gauge brad gun that worked just fine, some snap ring pliers that were useless the first time I tried to use them, etc., etc. There are some good deals, but they make Harbor Freight look like the Cadillac of the tool industry. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif