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New to me Woods BH90-X! Been looking for an affordable used BH90-X or Kubota BH92 for about 8mos.

$4150 with 24" bucket in reasonable shape (no subframe or thumb). I think I did pretty good. (Just let me believe I did even if I didn't!)

Very excited but will have to wait till spring to get the subframe and hopefully hydraulic thumb. Anyone suggest an aftermarket thumb that works with the thumb hinge brackets already on the dipper stick?
 
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Nice find, Luke.

Contact MIE, Michigan Iron & Equipment, they can set you up with what you need for a hydraulic or manual thumb. They've supplied me with thumbs and other items. Bob and Tony, his son, are engineers and make all kinds of tractor pieces. I strongly recommend a hydraulic one for ease of use.

Where's the subframe for your hoe?
 
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BH90 is a great BH. I have one on my JD and have no complaints at all. Glad you are getting the sub-frame I would never put that on a three point. You will be very happy. I would flush the hydraulics not knowing the condition of the fluid that is in it. Worth the effort.
 
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Coyote, I'll have to buy a new subframe.

Furu, I was thinking about that too. How do you go about flushing it out other than connecting to the tractor's hydraulic system?
 
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Coyote, I'll have to buy a new subframe.

Furu, I was thinking about that too. How do you go about flushing it out other than connecting to the tractor's hydraulic system?

Well I am not going to say that my method was the best method or the only method but what I did was as follows.

Since I was doing a fluid swap on the tractor and all implements at the same time it made it easier. I hooked up the BH to the tractor before I started anything thus the BH was supported solidly. That made it much easier.

After hooking up the BH to the subframe, I disconnected the hydraulics from the BH to tractor. Then did the tractor fluid swap first. Then went to the BH.
After removing the QD on each of the hoses I put them in a container so that they could drain out but not suck fluid back in the hoses.(When the direction is reversed there is a suction on the line that is best to avoid.)

Then taking each spool valve and positioning it IAW with the cylinder I was going to swing I would take the cylinder and first slowly then rapidly cycle it full throw. (Rapid is a loose term since the main arm is at least 500 lbs and you are using a come-along tied to a tree or some such thing overhead) The first couple of cycles are real slow and hard as there is so much fluid being expelled but gets easier as the fluid is removed.) Remember the valve might have to be moved the opposite direction as the cylinder direction is reversed. Not all the time however. Tie the SCV controller in position. Probably can be done without this step but I think it helped.

This gets 95% plus of the fluid out of the cylinders and about 75% out of the hose.
Next disconnect the hose at the cylinder connection and blow low pressure air through the hose line to remove the last of the fluid remaining in the hose. DO NOT use high pressure air to do this. At the same time cycle the cylinder again without the hose and the last of the fluid will be spit out.

Then move on to the next set of cylinders. When doing the dipper cylinder and main arm use a come-along and whatever you can use as a tie-off overhead. Be careful as the main arm is not light. Initially I used a come-along on the dipper but as the fluid was expelled I found that I could move it by myself, but don't hurt yourself. The main arm was another story it stayed heavy. I was very surprised how easy the legs, the bucket and the pivot cylinders were to do.

Yours will be more of a challenge as you can't hook it up to the tractor as you have no sub-frame (yet) and even with a sub-frame you would have to hook up hydraulics and cross contaminate which is the point of the exercise to avoid.
I would recommend taking the FEL and using it to position the BH so that you can do a similar type of exercise. it will be more challenging as keeping the BH from moving will be much more difficult in your circumstances. Doing the legs and the bucket will be easy. If you brace the BH frame so that it can't slide sideways or away from you, I think you should be able to move both the dipper and the main arm with the FEL and a strap/chain.

Your task will be significantly more difficult than mine as I had it mounted. Afterward you will have lots of air in the system. Just run each control until smooth movement returns. Of course you can't do that until your sub-frame shows up and you hook it up to the PB on the tractor. If a friend has a FEL then they could lift the BH to mount it once you get your subframe wiithout you hooking up hydraulics and risk contaminating your system.

I have been told I went overboard on my drain process. I disagree as I got lots of contaminated fluid out of the BH after 6 years of use and I felt the effort was worth it. To each their own.
 
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Luke, I get that you'll have to find a subframe; just curious what happened to the one that was on the hoe originally? Or was it mounted as a 3PH hoe? I'm not that familiar with that hoe's various configurations....
Also, where did you find it?
 
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Furu, that sounds like a major PITA! Gonna have to put some thought into this.

Coyote, the hoe was originally mounted on a cabbed M series kubota. As I'm sure you know, Woods makes many subframes for various models. After looking at the parts diagrams from Woods I saw that the tractor side of the subframe was considerably different and not easily modifiable.
I got the hoe from a tractor dealer in Northern Vermont who had taken in the tractor with the hoe in trade. (So unfortunately I do not know the state of the hydraulic fluid within.) They didn't want to take the subframe off the tractor and knocked off $150 in exchange.
 
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How do you go about flushing it out other than connecting to the tractor's hydraulic system?

On used attachments that I have bought, I have essentially drained any hydraulics on them by using jacks, clamps and compressed air to move cylinders and purge hydraulic lines. For a cylinder, I would typically disconnect the hoses and the rod end of the ram. Then compress the rod into the cylinder with a jack or bar clamp and collect oil that drains out of the cylinder in a bucket or drain pan. I usually used compressed air to extend the cylinder to push out oil left on the rod side. Be careful using compressed air to move cylinders as they can move pretty fast.
 
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I have a BH-90X I put on my Kioti DK40. I bought the hydraulic thumb kit from MIE. The pin for the thumb was the wrong diameter, they replaced it with the correct one, no issues. I mounted the control valve in a different place than they recommend and one of the hydraulic lines was too long and the elbow at the end was off by 90deg. They made me a shorter hose with the elbow orientated the way I needed it. Again they changed out the hose no issue, no questions.
 
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Do y'all mind sharing the cost from MIE? Did it use a foot pedal?
 
 

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