IVT

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unclehan

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I've conceived of a pretty good IVT concept. It's efficient, and have no torque limits. Recently I've been trying to finalize the design. It's about 10% to 15% more efficient than a hydro.

To get any wide ratio coverage would ultimately require the system to be large and require many parts.

The problem can be drammatically reduced if I "divide" the overall ratio coverage into 3 "zones". Going from each zone to the next will require a clutch/disengagement. But within the same zone, it can shift continuously however you want.

If you compare it to a 6 speed manual, the first "zone" of the CVT can continuously shift between the ratios similar to that of 1 st gear and 2nd gear. Then, the second part of the CVT will span between the 3rd gear to 4th, then the last part will go from 5th to 6th.

You see, the IVT can shift continously between the same "zone", like from 6th to 5th, or from 4th to 3rd. But to go from one part to the next will require a clutch. So instead of a single big IVT that get all the ratio coverage, imagine my system as 3 separate "mini" IVTs that spans the overall ratio range in 3 "zones".

I wonder if this is a major drawback?

under what circumstances?

The way I see it, it still has advantage over current IVTs/hydro in that it can handle any torque and is more efficient.

It still has advantage over current manual/auto gearboxs in that it requires less shift and can improve acceleration/fuel consumption.

But the fact that it is separated into 3 different zones, and requires some kind of clutch if you go from one zone to the next still makes less than perfect. Of course, as long as the required ratio change falls within the same zone, it doesn't require a clutch. But if it needs to shifting into a ratio outside of a zone, it will require a clutching mechanism.

By the way, it also doesn't have to shift continuously. Because there is a clutch, it can also "simulate" a manual if a fast shift is required. What I'm saying is if you suddenly need to go into a different gear, and that gear falls outside of the zone, it can go directly to that new gear ratio like a manual via the clutch. It doesn't have to shift continuously within the old zone first, then clutch, then shift continuously in the new zone again. It can "jump" directly to any where any time, which is obvious since with the clutch you disengage it from the engine.

I wonder if it can help with any tractor applications?


Thanks a lot.
 
   / IVT #2  
Is this the same tranny you brought up a while back??

CVT
 
   / IVT #3  
That's amazing.....

I've been thinking about this same thing: a continous hydraulic drive system. I poked around, but I've never seen anything like the one pictured in your post.

Basically a large "cone" style drum like the one pictured, but with with regular gear teeth as anyone other tranny would have. It would link directly to the rear differential. A seperate conventional main gear, via a flexible joint connection to the flywheel, would mesh with the main cone gear. The conventional gear would simply travel up and down the "cone" gear for higher/lower gearing. It would be hydraulically controlled via a duplicate hydraulic system

Maybe I'm being overly simplistic, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of things important here.....but it's just an idea.

Nonetheless, good post.....and thanks...
 
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"I wonder if it can help with any tractor applications?"

I think one of the main adv. of hydro & shuttle shift for FEL work is the ability to have continous work flow.. I have one hand to steer.. one hand controlling FEL.. foot pedal(s) to control speed and direction. My hands & feet never have to leave the controls and the hydro braking lets me never have to even use the brakes.

One of the best features I'm really hooked on.. is the range control buttons on the NH TC Boomer Delux FEL joysticks. The ability to change speeds to next range.. adapting to the working conditions just increases the work efficiency.

Now.. if an additional button(s) was added on the joystick to change gears w/ out having to stop in additon to the range control buttons.. would it be even better? Maybe in some conditions it might.

How about this idea.. all 4 wheels are powered by individual hydraulic motors w/ a sense for detecting slippage.. torque, speed and braking are all controlled by pressure & flow rate.. all implements would be powered by hydraulics.. so your engine would now just be powering one big hydraulic pump. Not sure if that is just a "Skid Steer" I'm describing.

If it can help get the work done faster.. I'm all for it.
 
   / IVT #5  
Your idea existing. If I'm informed good, ZF Eccom gearbox works on similar principle on VT tractors made in Europe (Deutz, for example). It has hydro vario tranny in front of powershift gears. So, you have advantage of both systems.
 

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