JD Special Offers

[glennmac]

I've just read through this thread with great interest. Also read carefully the Deere text and disclaimers.

I'd suggest that you prospective purchasers pay attention to what Cowboydoc and DeereNebraska have been saying. They surely have been right on the money. You are entitled to $700 on the tractor off whatever price you negotiate. No money comes out of the dealer's pocket. Whatever an "open house" means, that's the dealer's problem not yours. It would make sense that the extra discounts on implements would only apply to Deere's own (overpriced) brand name implements, although the website wording does not make this clear.

This is a good issue on which to test the honesty and integrity of the dealer with whom you are considering engaging in a long term economic relationship. If they are misleading you about the rebate, they are cheats. If they don't understand their own business, they are stupid. Why, in either case, would you want to deal with them?

 

[Redman59]

The buying strategy here is get quotes from several dealers. One dealer might be able to work with you more than another for various reasons. The guy I ended up buying from had waht appeared to be less overhead than the Ag Dealer I went to and happened to have a very gently used loader. Be upfront with everyone, let them know that you are taking bids, don't be afraid to look at all the options including NH, Kubota, Kioti etc. Once you have done your homework, pick what is the best value for you. For me it wasn't price or I would have bought a Kioti or a NH. Once you decide, then talk rebate unless this has allready been factored in by the dealer.

If all things are equal in your decision, then go to lowest bid.

Both of my JD dealers are excellent and I have no doubt that they will be there for me when I need them. I may end up buying an implement or two or grease etc from the NH Ag Guy or even the ex Deere Dealer who now sells Century and Zetor, but will most likely be back at the Deere dealer even if it is to buy used equipment or generic type equipment.

Redman

 

[Anonymous Poster]

<font color=blue>…If they are misleading you about the rebate, they are cheats…</font color=blue>

I don’t agree… I’m sure there are as many dealers out there confused about this rebate program as some of their consumers are…

I don’t care what color the dealer sells…Orange/Blue/Green/Red/Purple/Whatever… the primary purpose of business is to make money. Period. If this program was announced 6 months ago, that on April 1, 2002 this national rebate program would go into effect…you’d have advance dealer planning involved, much better preparation on their end, and probably minimal confusion that is currently underway…

The dealer has to rely on the factory crediting him these monies…only after he dot’s the I’s and crosses the t’s in accordance with “Father Factory and Mother May I’s Wishes…” If that dealer deducts the money from the customer’s invoice… the customer drives away happy as can be… and later the factory “disapproves” and rejects the dealer’s claims on that customer… who’s left holding the bag…? Do you think the customer will come back and give the dealer back his money… that was never received from the factory…? Good luck…/w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif

Take a look at the average length of time they have been in business, a dishonest or undesirable dealer would never survive… I’d say the bulk of any color dealer is honest… Right now it boils down to some dealer confusion and perhaps extra caution…

I’m sorry, that doesn’t translate to “cheats and being stupid”… /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif

 

[glennmac]

<font color=blue>If they are misleading you about the rebate, they are cheats…</font color=blue>

I believe that statement is a tautology and is hence inarguably true. Misleading is an intentionally deceptive act, and hence is cheating.

Please don't interpret my post as an anti-JD post. It is not, and I am not. I was referring to some of the dealers discussed by some of the posters who seemed to be clearly misstating the JD rebate, or were ignorant, or were feigning ignorance.

Any seller of any product is free to try to make as much profit as he can. But if he lies about a factory rebate or is too stupid to understand it, then I would prefer to go to another seller of that product. Your mileage may vary.

 

[JC4HD]

Ahmen!

 

[cowboydoc]

No offense John but I agree with you Glenn. If the dealer can't get the rebate figured out then they better be one the phone and get it figured out. As you know being a lawyer as a professional there is NO room for error. You error you lose period. I error one time whether it's my fault or not I get sued. I don't think the dealer should be held any less accountable because they didn't have advance notice of the sale. It sure seems Ron in NE has it figured out alright. That's their job is to deal with these things and pass them along to the customer. It sure isn't the customer's obligation to figure it out. If it was we all may as well buy direct from deere. I really think you have to hold the dealer accountable.

 

[rancar]

<font color=green>"If the dealer can't get the rebate figured out then they better be one the phone and get it figured out...That's their job is to deal with these things...I really think you have to hold the dealer accountable."</font color=green>

With this rebate program out now for a couple weeks, most dealers have likely figured it out. I fully agree. But, as others have testified to in this thread, the real issue is how honest is the dealer being with the customer. I'll admit, I'm pretty ignorant about how dealers run their businesses. I do believe they want to obtain as much profit for themselves as they can...most I would like to think legitimately, others not so. I don't think this business is much different from that of others. The axiom Caveat Emptor holds true in this case as it does in all cases when a buyer enters into a monetary transaction with another. There is a certain burden on the buyer to do his due diligence before completing the transaction.

There's been enough information shared in this discussion thread from people who are in the know for everyone to realize that they should be getting a good part of this $1,200 rebate back in their pocket. What the 'open house' contingencies are and how a dealer defines what an open house is....who knows? If this is a sore point, then get a dealer to define this and show you all the fine print that comes out of Moline. But, the bottom line is do your due diligence and get the facts. If the dealer doesn't know the facts, refuses to reveal all of them, or is simply talking in circles....then, this is the red flag to indicate it may be time to walk away from this dealer and shop elsewhere. There are enough, good legitimate dealers out there folks. Just take some time, drive a few extra miles if you have to, do competitive shopping, and get a sense as to whether the dealer is giving you the facts plain and simple regarding this rebate program or if it sounds like pure double talk.

 

[Keoke]

Wow glenmac, you sent me to the dicitionary on your very well said post. I agree with you completly.
By the way, for those of you who are as slow as me.
The term "tautology" is partially described as being a statment that can be either true or false at the same time.
E.G. It may, or may not, rain tomorrow.


cheers,

 

[glennmac]

<font color=blue>"It may, or may not, rain tomorrow."</font color=blue>..............I don't look at dictionaries but simply rely on my rapidly fading memories of the OED that I memorized when I was 12. (Strange childhood.) Nevertheless, however and notwithstanding--I would consider the above statement to be a logical tautology because it (the statement) is alway true no matter the actual outcome of tomorrow's weather. In other words, the the subject matter of the statement--whether it rains or not tomorrow--will turn out to be true or false, but the statement qua statement is always true....................My use of the the word "tautology" was, of course, a devious device to divert attention from the merit's of III's response to my earlier post. I didn't want to deal with his reasonableness and fairness................... On the merits, what I really think is "cheating" by a dealer of any product is to deliberately not inform a purchaser of a factory discount and then pocketing the factory allowance himself. Nothing says a dealer can't do that as against an uninformed buyer, but I personaly don't want to do business with such a dealer............Discounts on tractors vary from region to region. Within the same region, discounts will vary by the overhead and cost structures of a given dealer, among other things. Cowboydoc has gotten the best discounts I have heard of on Deere (I think more than 20% off list). That is probably a function of the level of JD competition in Iowa, his willingness to pay cash, and his negotiating skills. Here in CT (not a big ag state), two Deere dealers I have preliminarily dealt with offered 11% off list right out of the chute.......... Thus, I suspect one should be able to get 12% to 15% off of list from JD dealers in most places if you negotiate properly. Under the plain words of the JD website offer, the factory discount (which comes from the factory) should come off that negotiated price. That is simple and obvious for any dealer to understand, even if they just got word of the factory discount 5 minutes ago......... Unfortunately, a lot of dealers for any tractor, or any other product, will try to conceal or misstate the factory discount by offering the purchaser the same or slightly better discount-off-list that the purchaser could have gotten anyway, and then keeping the factory allowance for himself (the dealer). I doubt that that is what JD headquarters has in mind for dealers to do; rather, JD is trying to stimulate greater demand for its products by lowering the aggregate discounted price to the consumer.

 

[kerr]

Rock bottom?