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I just purchase a new jimna 284le off ebay. Dealer is a great distance away. The backhoe jumps and jerks alot. Doesn't seem to have alot of power. When I try to operate the boom left to right and up it moves sporadically and slow. I hear the fluid like its bypassing. I am mechanically inclined but never have worked on hydraulics. HELP
 
   / jinma backhoe troubles #2  
Even though your dealer is a distance away......he is not offering you any assistance via email or telephone??

Ronald
 
   / jinma backhoe troubles #3  
The very first thing that you need to do is to check all hydraulic connections. They can be sucking air in and not leaking fluid out. It sounds like it is getting air in the system.
 
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how can it suck air and not leak fluid.
 
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email reply, but limited support. Basically, "it worked when it left here"
 
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it all depends on the TYPE of noise as what COULD be wrong, if it is normall sound when no levers are moved then it is not air. if there is a squeel when the lever is moved and the system / boom does not move much or just jerks about a bit then there could be a few things wrong. most likely the system is bypassing through the relife valve which is a good thing it means it is working. BUT it is set too low. you will need to make up a pressure gauge that can attach to the valve so you can set the relife pressure on each valve bank.


depending on how it is set up there may be a relife for every spool or one for the valve bank. they are USUALLY adjustable on this type of equipment others are fixed at XXXX psi so as to not damage anything. now what most people do is crank down on the relifes and then blow hoses or break pins and bend hinge points as there is too much pressure then. that is reason for the gauge. usually 1500~2000 PSI is more than enough to run any hydraulics well and move at a good rate. I have one abut never got any kind of manual with it dirrectly from china. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif mine ran well out of the box actually out of the crate /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif I found running the tractor engine at or below 15000 RPM worked well for movement speed and less jerkyness. too much rpm it got very jerky & hard to control pressure was about the same only less volume for slower flow..

anyhow check JohnS's web site for lots of good info and mods people usually do to them to prevent unwanted damage. I did break off the end of the rod where it was welded for the through pin. it is a common problem for these JW03 hoes. I did mine reaching at full out with bucket down into a creek pounding on a 300 lb rock to get it freed form the opposite bank the elbow one on mineusually it is the one what mounts down under the base inside on the whole thing up/down.

I welded up the cylinder end myself with good results no breakage so far but I did move it to the less stressed postion on top...


MarkM
 
   / jinma backhoe troubles #7  
<font color="blue"> how can it suck air and not leak fluid. </font>
Most of the time it is on the suction side. When the tubing is under suction the air comes in, but when the tractor is off the seal is good enough to prevent leaks.
 
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Air is about 1/250th as dense as the hydro fluid, it can go places the fluid can't. Kinda like gortex raingear, water dosn't pass but it still breathes. A leak on the suction side piping would draw air and not leak fluid.

A low resovoir could also be a problem. An extended cylinder uses a little more fluid from the tank than a retracted one due to the rod taking up space in one side. Depending on how many cylinders you have extended you may be drawing the level low enough to suck air. The pump does not pass air well and when air hits it, the system pressure falls fast, then when the fluid hits, the pressure spikes. This could lead to jerking/erratic operation. I would check the suction pipeing, fluid level and the suction filter first.

As Mark M mentioned this air passing through the pump would make unusual noises even when you were not working the controls. With no controls being moved, if the pump has a steady supply of fluid, it should make a steady sound. You can listen to it really well in operation with a mechanics stethescope(handy tool, only a few $ at Harborfreight.com tools), or a long screwdriver/rod, one end held against the pump body and the other held against the bone behing the ear(with ears plugged). This blocks out the other engine and gear noises. With a valve cycled, you should also hear a "woosh" sound as fluid passes through the valve going to/from the selected cylinder. If the cylinder reaches the end of it's stroke, you should sense a momentary drop in engine RPM as the pressure and pump load spikes and the relief valve opens. If the above didn't help, then I would look into a pressure gauge installation to monitor the pressure and relief valve openings.
Good Luck.
 
   / jinma backhoe troubles #9  
A common problem with these hoes, is crud caught in the control valves, Requires disassemble and cleaning. Check old posts, someone went through this not that long ago.
 
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Alright, let me ask a real dumb question. Where is the relief valve and the pressure valve. I dont hear air when the machine is running and everything is stationary. The reservoir is full. Where is the filter on the hoe? Thanks, for all the help. I'm learning more and more each day.
Greg
 

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