John deere 212 repower help!

[Bwgad96]

Hi to all, I have a 1981 John deere 212 with the original Kohler k301 motor. I got a great deal on it and said what the heck and bought it, with intentions of a frame off. So yesterday of the some inspection me and my buddy have determined that on every fourth revolution of the piston is only moving a quarter inch or less up and down. I have no clue but know that somthing internal must be fudged up. So at this point I am looking at 3 options: a full off rebuild, a new short block k301, or a Jim's vanguard. He claims that he has don it, but I'm a little weary about how. According to small engine warehouse, they have tried every engine and had no luck. So that's where I'm at. Any suggestions? I would love to have the power and reliability of a new modern twin and for around the same price, as a new short block runs in the neighborhood of 1100 bucks. But I also know a short block will bolt up. Will my original tranny take the heat of a 18 horse twin? Thank you for reading.

 

[Bwgad96]

Here's a picture.

 

[murphy1244]

Go for it, Full rebuild

 

[Bwgad96]

I am definatly considering it. I have also read that when I have it bored and honed, I can go to a standard 14 hp bore so there is some perks. I'm just no sure that its cost effective. I figure by time all is said and done, I'd be better with a short block?

 

[Bwgad96]

And I made a mistake, from what I've seen a new short block will run me about 1300. Here's some pics with the motor out.

 

[oldnslo]

I guess I would take the existing engine apart to see what is broken. I wouldn't condemn the block until you do a visual inspection, you may not need a short block. I have rebuilt a few of these old Kohlers and never needed a short block. Had one that broke the connecting rod and that in turn broke the cam but zero damage to block. Quick job with a hone and new piston, rings, con rod, cam shaft, polished the crank and was back in business. The reason the rod broke was a governor spring broke and it ran away. Owner said it sounded like a race car before it let go. Had others that burned oil so bad you filled them with oil and checked the gas. All they needed where new rings. Those old Cast Iron engines are tough.

Tranny, unless you abuse the crap out of it 18 HP ain't gonna break it.

 

[Bwgad96]

Ok thank you. I'm planning to get it disassembled this week.I guess with you guys saying there good motors, i might just rebuild this one, rather than a new conversion.Is there anything I need to look out for? I'm worried that I might accidentally tweak the internal governer. One more thing, on the steering where it connects to the left wheel, how do you keep that ball in its socket? Replace it? Thank you

 

[oldnslo]

One more thing, on the steering where it connects to the left wheel, how do you keep that ball in its socket? Replace it? Thank you

Yes you have to replace the tie rod ends. Not very expensive or difficult to do. In an emergency I have cut a washer and welded on to the end to keep the ball from falling out until I could get a replacement.

 

[Bwgad96]

Yes you have to replace the tie rod ends. Not very expensive or difficult to do. In an emergency I have cut a washer and welded on to the end to keep the ball from falling out until I could get a replacement.

Ok thank you will do. So today I realized that I made a huge bonehead mistake. When me and a buddy had checked the piston through the plug hole and it was moving only every fourth turn, we failed to realize it was a flat head engine and the plug hole is over the valves. I realized this after 6 hours of carefull disassemble. Oops! The cylinder walls are perfect. Well I'm at a crossroads now. It is in dire need of a heavy duty cleaning. Has this huge flakey carbon on pistion and valves look nasty. I woul like to do a build like this guy( see link) but don't know of I should just clean and reassemble. Thank youhttp://www.ihcubcadet.com/KillerKohler/killer kohler part ii.pdf

 

[oldnslo]

How much time and money do you want to put into this engine and what are you going to use the tractor for.

 

[stuckmotor]

I think I'd see if a Chinese engine would fit before buying a short block.

 

[Bwgad96]

How much time and money do you want to put into this engine and what are you going to use the tractor for.

Time is no big deal and money isn't much of an issues because I've been saving for awile. It will be used for pulling a heavy firewood cart and a log splitted as well as pulling the occasional log.

 

[Bwgad96]

Also during this build, I am going to be purchasing new tires all the way around. I would like to go to the 26x12x12 rears over the stock 23x8.5. From what I have read they will clear the fenders and mount on stock rims. Just looking for conformation before I pull the trigger. I'm not worried about mower deck or being level. Thank you.

 

[Ledgemere Farm]

another option is to find another 212 donor tractor and switch the motor over. You'll have a pile of spare parts then. I disassembled a 110 and have it in my attic for parts .

 

[Joe1]

Going to larger diameter drive tires will increase top speed but reduce pulling power as you will in effect increase final drive ratio i.e. go from say 3.5:1 to 3:1. That may impact your ability to skid logs and pulling a heavy cart or the log splitter. Just something to consider. You could calculate this by measuring the increase in radius from center of the axle to the ground on each tire.

Just something else to think about. Good luck with the project.

 

[buickanddeere]

John Deere 212 Category

 

[Bwgad96]

another option is to find another 212 donor tractor and switch the motor over. You'll have a pile of spare parts then. I disassembled a 110 and have it in my attic for parts .

Thank you. While a good idea, I couldn't do it since I have a soft spot for there deeres and before long it would be coming down and getting all shined up!

 

[Bwgad96]

Going to larger diameter drive tires will increase top speed but reduce pulling power as you will in effect increase final drive ratio i.e. go from say 3.5:1 to 3:1. That may impact your ability to skid logs and pulling a heavy cart or the log splitter. Just something to consider. You could calculate this by measuring the increase in radius from center of the axle to the ground on each tire.

Just something else to think about. Good luck with the project.

Thank you also. How much effect would an extra 3 inch tires have? Regardless, I am unsure they will clear my fenders which I refuse to trim.