Buying Advice John Deere Vs Branson

   / John Deere Vs Branson #11  
I guess that's one way to look at it, growing up with the mechanical type we think it is a more accurate indication of the engines condition.
But yes mechanical hours usually accrue much slower then clock hours.
Good Luck on your tractor search
 
   / John Deere Vs Branson #12  
I have a 4720 and 1500 lbs on pallet forks is about all it will pick up and you better have something on the back for counter weight. Hit a bump and the back tires will float a little. I believe its probably 1500 lbs at the pins is what it rated at. A little less sticking further out. I have moved 1200 to 1300 lbs round bales. One on the back and one in the front. 4200 hours on the smaller tractor is quite a bit. The larger tractors not so much.

I would ask the lady using it what kind of ballast weight they have on the back end when trying to lift a bale. From your list of attachments offered with the Branson, I don't think they have anything with enough weight to try it.

And even if you pass on the Branson, I would not buy that JD. 4000 hrs is a double-buttload of hours on a light duty tractor, that is being sold for "the same money" as the Branson + attachments, only sounds like you're not getting any useful attachments with the JD. Ok, a blade, but nothing for haying?

I'd keep looking.
 
   / John Deere Vs Branson #13  
Ok, good to know! So, something with 4200 hrs on a mechanical clock could have several thousand hours more on the engine.


That's true of a mechanical tach, but often that means those are hours at low speed or idle, and so they don't add the wear that full throttle work does.

But the opposite isn't necessarily true with electric tachs. It's true that a tractor could have an electric tach that works like a clock so that hours add up anytime the key is on....I've heard of that but the tractors I've seen don't don't work that way.
In my experience, the electric tachs add the time up just like mechanical tachs do, they just do it by adding up electrical pulses instead of counting mechanical revolutions.
The result is the same. Both types are RPM dependent.

How many hours is too many? Well, that is the question, isn't it? IMHO, 4200 hours would be a lot for a low end tractor but it is only medium hours for a high-end machine. And it would represent a lot more wear and tear on a general purpose or construction tractor than it would for a machine used for mowing and field work.
Keep in mind that you will probably put far fewer hours on a tractor than you think you will. I'd be very surprised if you put on 250 hours in a year.

Two things seem odd about those tractors. One, it seems odd to me that a nearly new Branson with a triple axle trailer would be priced as low as this older JD with thousands of hours unless the Branson is much smaller tractor. Looking it up on Tractor Data the Branson does seem smallish size for the work you want to do.

On the JD the oddity is this: Are sure that model/year is correct?
My old info doesn't show a 2240 of that year with 4WD. But I'd say that any 50 HPish JD is worth a look. With a Cat II 3pt, it is the size you are looking for in terms or HP and lift. You will know when you see it, because with older machines it all comes down to how well they have been treated. And that is hard to disguise.
I sure do like the idea of a roof and windscreen! Now that is what I'd call civilized....

A older tractor treated well can easily be as good as a new one, that is true regardless of how old it is. And it is expecially true of something really high quality like the JDs of that era. Or it could be one worked hard, poorly maintained, living outside, started cold, and run hard and just be at the end of it's life.

Here at our place, both of our JDs have more hours than that and both start and work well. Yes, they are getting old and I can see wear and tear most everywhere on both machines, but so far there is no noticible degradation of things like engine compression, or hydraulic functions, or any of the working parts. Electricals are fine. Brakes are worn, clutches and trannys fine. Our tractors live outside.....

It will come down to condition. How easily it starts in cold weather is an excellent basic test. This cold winter gives us the perfect test bed. I'd say to always start with a well charged battery and with the block heater plugged in for an hour or two. After all, that's how you will be using it. And it is how anyone should be. I'd expect that either the JD or the Branson should then start right up. You will hear it crank once or twice and then fire right up. Expect it will run ragged for five or ten seconds while you advance the throttle to a slightly higher idle and then let it sit there and purr. If the weather is below 30F, give it at least fifteen minutes to warm up the hydraulic, steering, and tranny fluids before using the controls.

Most of us try to warm them up like that while looking over the machine and preparing tools for the day.
A machine treated that way will have noticibly less wear at 4000 hours than one that is fired up and pressed into use immediately.

Good luck, a good tractor is a real working partner. Take your time, post some pictures, ask difficult questions, do a search on both models, & get more info!!
rScotty
 
   / John Deere Vs Branson #14  
I'm not a BTO and my Deeres have maxed out at 100 hp, having had several of them, all used up through the 1979 4230DC. In 2007 I wanted a new tractor with all the whistles and bells. I shopped all the popular colors as I live near a metropolitan area surrounded by lots of farm land and lots of choices were available. I quit looking and 6 months later passed a Branson dealer. My 6530 is the result and the 2016 2400 I bought last year should indicate how I feel about that purchase.
 
   / John Deere Vs Branson #15  
That's true of a mechanical tach, but often that means those are hours at low speed or idle, and so they don't add the wear that full throttle work does.

But the opposite isn't necessarily true with electric tachs. It's true that a tractor could have an electric tach that works like a clock so that hours add up anytime the key is on....I've heard of that but the tractors I've seen don't don't work that way.
In my experience, the electric tachs add the time up just like mechanical tachs do, they just do it by adding up electrical pulses instead of counting mechanical revolutions.
The result is the same. Both types are RPM dependent.

Could be some do, I'm not positive how the Magnums clocks run but I believe they are clock hours, I know the Puma 125 and the NH 6050 and the Branson 8050 are clock hours.
 
   / John Deere Vs Branson
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#16  
Well, i pulled the trigger on the older 2240 today. I ran it a little and it seems to be a pretty solid tractor and very heavy duty. I ended up deciding this route because if im going to do any haying, the smaller tractor might just be a little too small. It may have the muscle to do what i need it to, but i think it would be working the little tractor pretty hard. One other deciding factor is that if im able to talk any of my neighbors into letting me borrow any of their implements, they will most likely be for a class 2 3-point hitch.
 
   / John Deere Vs Branson #17  
Well, i pulled the trigger on the older 2240 today. I ran it a little and it seems to be a pretty solid tractor and very heavy duty. I ended up deciding this route because if im going to do any haying, the smaller tractor might just be a little too small. It may have the muscle to do what i need it to, but i think it would be working the little tractor pretty hard. One other deciding factor is that if im able to talk any of my neighbors into letting me borrow any of their implements, they will most likely be for a class 2 3-point hitch.



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The extra size and strength should be an advantage when moving large hay bales.
 

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