KAMA 554 Electrical and Hydraulic questions

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3RRL

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Got a new KAMA 554 in August and have about 30 hours on it. The 2nd day after delivery the lights stopped working and I'm not sure where to start checking...Fuses seem Ok?? The tractor starts but lights and panel instruments don't work...(they did for a couple of days).
Next question...that little knob on the front of the hydraulic box below the seat...what exactly does that adjust? The hydraulic pressure, maybe?
Other than that, love that tractor!
 
   / KAMA 554 Electrical and Hydraulic questions #2  
<font color="blue"> The tractor starts but lights and panel instruments don't work...(they did for a couple of days).
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Hey 3RRL,

The Kama owners here will probably be much more help than I. But the same thing happened with my Little Jinma224, pertaining to the instrument panel lights. I loosened up the bolts on the instrument cluster and partially took it out, and discovered, that one of the connectors had worked loose. It was a simple fix, and it may be that a connector has also, worked loose in your case as well.

Get your tractors running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / KAMA 554 Electrical and Hydraulic questions #3  
I would check for 12 volts at the switch and go from there. you will need a test light of meter to check. (you may get lucky and be able to visually see a loose/broken connection.

The knob restricts the flow out from the lift cylinder, slowing its decent (or stopping it) NEVER tighten it down firmly. This is the first thing you check if your 3 point lift is not working properly.
 
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JINMA224X4 and Bluechip...Thanks for the input. I'll check out the electrical this weedend...hopefully find a loose wire. About the 3 point, should it drift down if I unsrew the Hydraulic control? What does the adjustment do? Make it lift more or less? Please...Thanks (should have waited to buy from you Chip)
 
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As for electrical, I would start with the ignition switch as this exact thing happened to me on my 284 the day it was delivered(they are not the highest quality). The contacts for the "on" position were bad. The tractor would start fine but after a bit all the gauges would be dead. Jiggled/Turned the key off then on and it would work again for a bit. Placed an electrical jumper(wire with alligator clips on each end) across the two switch conections that the "on" contacts would normally connect to continue with my breakin and prove the problem till the dealer could send me a new switch assembly. Received the new key switch in 2 days and all has been well since.

As for hydraulics, if that valve is similar to mine, it is a adjustable check valve. On the end of the shaft that the knob is attached to is a cone held in place with a pin so it can move up and down. The pressurized oil from the raise/lower/float valve that lifts the 3PH comes in through and goes out of the bottom of the hole that the knob is threaded into. It flows up past the cone and into the 3PH lift cylinder through a port in the back of the hole about half way up. When you screw this knob in, that cone on the end of the shaft hangs lower and lower getting closer to the inlet/outlet hole at the bottom(the bottom of the hole is tapered to match the cone). When you lift the 3PH, pressurized oil comes in from the bottom and pushes up and lift's the cone(which moves up and down freely on the end of the shaft) and flows by easilly to lift the 3PH cylinder. When done lifting, gravity pulls the cone tip back to it's lowest position. When you lower the 3PH, oil must flow back down around this cone which is lower into it's tapered hole and more restrictive to the returning flow so the 3PH lowers slower. The knob position controls the size of the gap that restricts the return flow which controls the lowering speed so you can keep a heavy impliment from slamming into the ground. IF you screw this valve in too far, you can actually hydraulically lock it in place with a impliment/load in the air. I have done this with a heavy brushhog attached and could not loosen that knob by hand(raise the cone against the hydraulic pressure from the impliment weight forcing it down). I had to put a jack under the impliment to get the load off the cylinder then the valve opened easilly with 2 fingers. There is a set screw on the front of the block that the knob/valve screws into. You want to make sure this is loose enough to rotate the knob easilly. Once you get the knob to the setting/lowering speed you like, you can keep it from moving/getting bumped with the setscrew. With the 3PH fully lowered(no load on it), you can remove the setscrew and unscrew the knob completly to see the cone assembly for yourself. If there is no load, no oil will come out. The threads on mine were dry and had some rust on them so removing the knob got some hydraulic oil up onto them to keep things moveing smoothly

On my 284, this valve also serves another purpose. I have a quick connect port under my seat that is desinged to feed a cylinder on a dump trailer. This quick connect is tapped into the system between the lift/lower/float control valve and that speed control knob. It sees the same pressure the 3PH cylinder does. By closing that knob down all the way, it prevents fluid from reaching the 3PH cylinder and sends all the pressure/flow to that quick connect(or back through the saftey valve to the resovoir).
 
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RonMar...thanks for the details...makes more sense to me now. I was afraid to adjust it, not knowing what the heck it did. If I understand, I can screw it out so the 3pt lowers more easily when mounting another implement and then adjust the lowering speed once it's attached. Right now I have to jump up and down on the lower arms to get to go down to line them up with the implement pins. I really felt stupid and thought there must some way to lower the arms more easily without going through that. Thank you.
On the electrical... is this a common thing with the Chinese electrical?
Still love that KAMA...sure has lots of power. I did also have a problem with the 4WD lever always slipping out of 4WD so I made a bracket with a sliding bar to hold it in position. Also attached a Come-a-Long to the tractor.
 
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<font color="blue"> On my 284, this valve also serves another purpose. I have a quick connect port under my seat that is desinged to feed a cylinder on a dump trailer. This quick connect is tapped into the system between the lift/lower/float control valve and that speed control knob. It sees the same pressure the 3PH cylinder does. By closing that knob down all the way, it prevents fluid from reaching the 3PH cylinder and sends all the pressure/flow to that quick connect(or back through the saftey valve to the resovoir). </font>

Hey Ron,

My tractor is a Jinma224, it seems to be set up the same way, with a quick disconnect at the rear.

I would like to put a hydralic cylinder, to replace the top link on the 3ph. Especially for use with the Box Blade, Plows, etc. Do you know of a way to make the quick disconnect outlet perform this type of function, as well as allowing the 3ph to function in raising a lowering also?

Thanks,
Get your tractors running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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Yes, you should be able to unscrew that knob to allow the arms to lower with no impliment attached and without you jumping on them:).

As for the key switch, from what I have read it is a fairly common problem for the Jinma's. There is even a retrofit of a ford ignition switch with the same switch logic/connections as the stock Jinma switch. I am not familliar with the wiring on your Kama but you may be able to substitute a more reliable domestic switch. Here is a link to John's Jinma site with information on the ford switch that is compatible with the Jinmas. http://johnstractor.homestead.com/files/Ford_switch2.doc

If the tractor was purchased in Aug, I would assume that this part would still be under warranty and you should be due a free replacement from your dealer.

Popping out of 4WD dosn't sound good. Again not specifically familliar with your tractor but typically these things use what is sometimes refered to as a "claw" which is 3 or 4 pie shaped teeth on the drive shaft that mesh end to end with 3 or 4 identical teeth on the driven shaft. Popping out during operation either indicates the teeth are not fully engageing, or the detent mechanism that is supposed to hold things engaged or disengaged is not functioning properly. Not fully engageing is bad as this union only achieves full strength when fully engaged and applying loads to the claw teeth in partial engagement could cause them to bend or break. Again don't know about your tractor specifically but on my Jinma, I can see the 4WD claw and linkage by removing the creeper gear top cover. This takes me about 2 minutes with a socket wrench.
 
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Jinma224XR
Well you could do it but it would be a little cumbersome to operate. In order to shift between lifting the 3PH and using the aux hydraulic port you need to screw that valve closed. To go back to using the 3PH, you need to open that valve. You would also need to add a return port to the hydraulic resovoir. Regardless, even if the valve is open, that quick connect port sees the same pressure that the 3PH cylinder sees. If you put a open center spool valve on this port connected back to the resovoir to control the toplink, your 3PH would not function as the fluid would go through the open center to the resovoir without lifting the 3PH. I have a gauge connected to a male QC and I have plugged into that port for testing to see what the system is being loaded to with my heavy brushhog attached/raised.

Some of the newer Jinmas I have seen have both a supply and return port on the back to run other accesories(log splitter, ect) but in supplying flow to that port you disable the 3PH lifting ability.

I think an easier way would be to replace your loader valve with a 3 spool valve and use the additional valve with quick connects on the working ports that run back to the hyd toplink. This would also make it easy to run other accesories such as a grapple on the bucket. You could also put on a replacement 2 spool valve with power beyond capability(or use your power beyond capability if so equiped) and remote that to a single spool valve back toward the rear to control your hydraulic toplink. Or add another single spool valve in line with your loader valve for this toplink control. Don't have a loader? well then put in a open center single spool valve where the loader valve would be.
 

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