Kioti factory fill into Ferguson TEA-20?

[IndyIan]

I'm coming up on my 50hr service and soon will have 11 gallons of perfectly good hyd/gear fluid to do something with. Donax-TD(now sprirax and approved in the Kioti manual) is what is going into my tractor.
Can I assume the factory fill is basically the same stuff? My buddy has the TEA-20 and I figured he could use my Kioti oil instead of buying new stuff, and having it drip out into the ground...
Both tractors have wet brakes, and dry clutches so I think there shouldn't be any problems?
Anyone had problems doing this?

 

[eagle107]

I'm coming up on my 50hr service and soon will have 11 gallons of perfectly good hyd/gear fluid to do something with. Donax-TD(now sprirax and approved in the Kioti manual) is what is going into my tractor.
Can I assume the factory fill is basically the same stuff? My buddy has the TEA-20 and I figured he could use my Kioti oil instead of buying new stuff, and having it drip out into the ground...
Both tractors have wet brakes, and dry clutches so I think there shouldn't be any problems?
Anyone had problems doing this?

Just out of curiosity are you looking to change all your hydro oil and your hydro filters at 50hrs of service?

 

[Gary Fowler]

I would think that any modern oil would work in that old tractor and be much better than original specd oil.

 

[RickB]

Wet brakes on a Ferguson 20?? I don't think so.

 

[grsthegreat]

Just out of curiosity are you looking to change all your hydro oil and your hydro filters at 50hrs of service?

Cause the warranty requires it...... ONLY FOR THE first 50 hours of the tractors life... after that its every 200 hours as i recall. i checked on mine, and if i didnt change them AND keep the receipts with my records, this could void the total warranty on the engine and tranny.

 

[IndyIan]

Just out of curiosity are you looking to change all your hydro oil and your hydro filters at 50hrs of service?

That is the plan, mostly for warranty purposes but maybe the factory fills on equipment isn't the greatest stuff, after all its only got to last 50 hrs right?:confused2:
Anyone ever do an UOA on the Kioti factory fill?

Wet brakes on a Ferguson 20?? I don't think so.

That's what my buddy thought, and I'm no old tractor expert! That's why I bought a new one.:laughing:
Odds are it will be fine I guess. He doesn't do alot of hours so its more to get a change of clean fluid with no water or contaminants in it yet.
I'll offer it to him and he can decide if he wants it or not.

 

[eagle107]

I only asked because I have a new NH Boomer 3040 and at 50hrs I am only required to change the hydro and HST filters. Then at 300hrs I need to change the hydro oil. I just wondering why Kioti is making you change the hydro oil at 50hrs. Usually at 50hrs you should not have to change the hydro oil unless the company really puts in low grade stuff.

 

[grsthegreat]

I only asked because I have a new NH Boomer 3040 and at 50hrs I am only required to change the hydro and HST filters. Then at 300hrs I need to change the hydro oil. I just wondering why Kioti is making you change the hydro oil at 50hrs. Usually at 50hrs you should not have to change the hydro oil unless the company really puts in low grade stuff.

just a protect their butt attitude morethan likely. The old warranty only required filters also. The new one says all fluid. But i have a nice long 4 year warranty now so i dont care.

 

[dennis52]

Cause the warranty requires it...... ONLY FOR THE first 50 hours of the tractors life... after that its every 200 hours as i recall. i checked on mine, and if i didnt change them AND keep the receipts with my records, this could void the total warranty on the engine and tranny.

My Kioti manual also states a 200hr regular hydraulic fluid change (after the initial 50hr) but then there is a big decal on the tractor that tells me to do it every 300hrs.

Same with engine oil: manual says every 100hrs and decal says every 150hrs.

So I am also doing what the manual states during the warranty period but after that, I'll be changing oils a lot less and according to how hard the tractor is worked.

The last lot of 100hr old engine oil I drained out looked like what I was replacing it with!

 

[Renze]

You cant re-use the engine oil after 50 hours, because it will be special break-in oil, which is the cheapest **** there is. Its meant to allow wear, so parts get mated better.

The hydro oil, if your friend isnt intending to fix the leaks, the tractor probably isnt worth that oil...

 

[OkieDave]

The reason for the early first service is because the parts all wear as they seat, leaving metal particles and shavings (and bigger) in the oil. You really don't want to be putting metal-loaded oil into another machine.

I've had the privilege of seeing what a magnetic oil plug collects after break-in on new engines; the early life of a mechanical system generates a truly impressive amount of metal. Don't ruin something else by putting all of that abrasive metal into it.

 

[Andrewnewy]

The reason for the early first service is because the parts all wear as they seat, leaving metal particles and shavings (and bigger) in the oil. You really don't want to be putting metal-loaded oil into another machine.

I've had the privilege of seeing what a magnetic oil plug collects after break-in on new engines; the early life of a mechanical system generates a truly impressive amount of metal. Don't ruin something else by putting all of that abrasive metal into it.

I'm 100% with this comment to, all our tractor brands require a Hyd oil change at 50, mind you most are going to 100 now the reason for this is bedding in filings and left over casting sand.
No other option but to throw it away, it will be the quickest way to kill a tractor!

 

[IndyIan]

The reason for the early first service is because the parts all wear as they seat, leaving metal particles and shavings (and bigger) in the oil. You really don't want to be putting metal-loaded oil into another machine.

I've had the privilege of seeing what a magnetic oil plug collects after break-in on new engines; the early life of a mechanical system generates a truly impressive amount of metal. Don't ruin something else by putting all of that abrasive metal into it.

Going by the dip stick on the trans I think I'll be able to read the date on a penny at the bottom of a 5 gallon pail of the drained fluid... It looks new so far. I guess when I drain it we'll see, if there's obviously bad stuff in it then off to the recyclers it goes... I'm thinking the fancy $$$ filters protecting the HST and Hyd pumps will have cleaned everything out of the oil by 50 hrs, plus the mag. drain plugs getting the rest. But we'll see.
I know I'll dump the front axle fluid and engine oil for sure.

 

[Soundguy]

Wet brakes on a Ferguson 20?? I don't think so.

maybee that's a qute way to say it needs axle seals


on an unrelated note.. boy am I happy to have the engine back together on my 4000..

 

[IndyIan]

maybee that's a qute way to say it needs axle seals

Yep, I think you're right.:confused2: I'll give the old tractor credit that it starts and runs and everything still seems to work, but it did sway me to get a new or almost new tractor...

 

[dennis52]

I'm 100% with this comment to, all our tractor brands require a Hyd oil change at 50, mind you most are going to 100 now the reason for this is bedding in filings and left over casting sand.
No other option but to throw it away, it will be the quickest way to kill a tractor!

Andrew, what is your take on using diesel additives for increased lubricity of the fuel pump.
Is the diesel in all states here mostly ulsd.

B5 and B20 do not seem to be available at many fuel outlets yet.

Can you suggest a locally available additive product that is not snake oil.

 

[Andrewnewy]

Andrew, what is your take on using diesel additives for increased lubricity of the fuel pump.
Is the diesel in all states here mostly ulsd.

B5 and B20 do not seem to be available at many fuel outlets yet.

Can you suggest a locally available additive product that is not snake oil.

Hi Dennis, can't comment on other states as I haven't had anything to do with fuel outside wa, but simply put we don't recommend anything, and I have been told by quiet a few specialist injector/pump repairers all those products on the market don't really do anything and quiet a few actually cause more wear than do good, that also said when you look at what comes through the workshop it's not fuel pump or injector problems, it's generally the mechanical or electric that control them, pump timing or simply lack of servicing. And this is on tractors 20-30+ years old. So I wouldn't be to concerned. At the end of the day, kioti for example takes a lot of advice from the importers so if they were to find a magic product that would increase performance / life of a part they would tell you to use it. A perfect example of this is grease. They could sell tractors without grease points, which would increase wear and hence increase part sales. However they have figured out grease prolongs the life of parts so they tell you to use it.

Hope your still enjoying your new kioti and the 'new' hasn't worn off yet!

 

[dennis52]

Hi Dennis, can't comment on other states as I haven't had anything to do with fuel outside wa, but simply put we don't recommend anything, and I have been told by quiet a few specialist injector/pump repairers all those products on the market don't really do anything and quiet a few actually cause more wear than do good, that also said when you look at what comes through the workshop it's not fuel pump or injector problems, it's generally the mechanical or electric that control them, pump timing or simply lack of servicing. And this is on tractors 20-30+ years old. So I wouldn't be to concerned. At the end of the day, kioti for example takes a lot of advice from the importers so if they were to find a magic product that would increase performance / life of a part they would tell you to use it. A perfect example of this is grease. They could sell tractors without grease points, which would increase wear and hence increase part sales. However they have figured out grease prolongs the life of parts so they tell you to use it.

Hope your still enjoying your new kioti and the 'new' hasn't worn off yet!

Thanks again for your always good advice. Up to 200 hrs today on the DS4510 and the tractor still looks and runs like new. Have a merry Xmas.