L4400,JD990,Kioti DK45s ?

   / L4400,JD990,Kioti DK45s ? #1  

whatsgnu

Member
Joined
Jan 24, 2008
Messages
36
Location
W. MA
Hi,

I'm looking to buy and these 3 tractors seem to be in the range of what I'm looking for. I'll be using it with a FEL to clear land, move rocks, clear snow, maintain some wood roads etc... My land is very hilly, about 60 acres of mostly woods.

What are your thoughts on the good the bad the ugly of these three choices?
 
   / L4400,JD990,Kioti DK45s ? #2  
You might want to throw the new Deere 4105 into that mix. It has a two speed hydro, but 40hp for 16k is worth looking at.
 
   / L4400,JD990,Kioti DK45s ? #3  
Kioti has both the Deere and Kubota beat hands down.
The only thing bad about the Kioti is the price, it looks like you will pay a couple grand more for the Kioti but if you are looking for a heavy duty tractor with ALL of the feartures standard than the price may not be so bad once you add all the features to the other guys.
And don't forget Kioti does have the best warranty!
 
   / L4400,JD990,Kioti DK45s ? #4  
I think I would also look at the Mahindra 4530
 
   / L4400,JD990,Kioti DK45s ? #5  
whatsgnu said:
Hi,

I'm looking to buy and these 3 tractors seem to be in the range of what I'm looking for. I'll be using it with a FEL to clear land, move rocks, clear snow, maintain some wood roads etc... My land is very hilly, about 60 acres of mostly woods.

Let's explore your uses a bit more. What do you mean by "clear land"? Removing trees that are a decent height? Overgrown brush? Rocks? None of those tractors will make easy work of what I typically think of as landclearing. Oh, they can do some of it with time, but it depends a lot on what you mean by clearing.

Moving rocks.... done with FEL for rocks up to about 1/2 to 2/3 the FEL's maximum weight (which often is at or above the limit of what will fit in the bucket - or you can get forks to mount on the FEL, which is probably a better approach but a lot of extra $$). All depends on the size of rocks you have to move.

Maintaining woods roads - I can make some guesses here, and that size of tractor is quite reasonable for typical road maintenance. You are probably looking at a box scraper, landscape rake, or roadgrader?

Clearing snow - again, that size tractor should be plenty, unless you get 10' in a single snowfall (that's feet, not inches). May want to consider a snowblower if you get tons of snow, otherwise a blade and FEL should work well. I use just a blade and FEL, but I rarely have more than 12" to move at a time.

Very hilly - seriously consider HST. It's not only a convenience, but in very hilly conditions it is a safety feature too. That would knock out all three tractors you mentioned, though there are some very similar tractors in the same size and price range with HST, and supposedly Kubota will be making an L4400 with HST soon. Also, consider R1 tires for hilly conditions, you don't want to be sliding downhill with tires locked up.

So - it really depends on your "land clearing" and rock moving tasks. A tractor in the 35-40hp range will power a decent brushhog (5 or 6') and if you need one, a PTO chipper. It will not tear out or push over trees of any significant size, say 4" or larger trunk. If you are going to cut down trees with a chainsaw and just need to either move the logs or mulch them, those tractors would work. If you want to get rid of lots of full grown trees with the tractor itself, you would need to look far larger - unrealistically large, I think.

All three tractors are good. The Kioti does have a few more features, but I don't agree that it is overwhelmingly better. That Kioti is more of a full-featured tractor while the L4400 and JD990 are more basic tractors, so it's not a really fair comparison. As Wallace said that Kioti would be a bit more - when I priced the DK45S and the L4400, it was $23k for a DK45 and $19.5k for an L4400. Also, I think you should consider HST. That would mean looking at:

Kioti DK45SE HST (despite same numbers, it's a different frame tractor than the gear DK45, though it is roughly the same size and hp)
JD 4105 or 4120 or 3720
Kubota Lxx40 series, or if you can wait, that L4400 with HST when it comes out
New Holland TC40 and 45DA
Various options from Massey-Ferguson and AGCO
 
   / L4400,JD990,Kioti DK45s ? #6  
Z-Michigan said:
It will not tear out or push over trees of any significant size, say 4" or larger trunk. If you are going to cut down trees with a chainsaw and just need to either move the logs or mulch them, those tractors would work.

It all depends on how fast you want to tear down trees... This weekend I took down several hardwood trees in the 8-10" trunk diameter with my CK25. Between digging around the roots with the FEL and prying them up and out, the longest one took ~30 min. Definitely get a toothbar though! I wouldn't want to clear a whole forest this way, but trees that are less than 8-10" diameter should be doable. 4" diameter trunk trees I can push over and rip out in a minute or two with the CK25. But, realistically, the CK25 and the L4400 are close in weight, and weight is what allows that sort of grunt.

I'd strongly conscider the Kioti. Lots of features, and lots more weight.
 
   / L4400,JD990,Kioti DK45s ? #7  
Also consider a Branson. They are real heavy, wide, and have powerful loaders.
 
   / L4400,JD990,Kioti DK45s ? #8  
whatsgnu said:
Hi,

I'm looking to buy and these 3 tractors seem to be in the range of what I'm looking for. I'll be using it with a FEL to clear land, move rocks, clear snow, maintain some wood roads etc... My land is very hilly, about 60 acres of mostly woods.

What are your thoughts on the good the bad the ugly of these three choices?

I looked very close at the three you mentioned when I was ready to buy a tractor and as Wallace said, there really is no comparison. I'm not saying the other two aren't good but they are bare bones compared to the Kioti.;)
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2012 Ford Fusion SE Sedan (A51694)
2012 Ford Fusion...
BUYERS PREMIUM & PAYMENT TERMS (A52576)
BUYERS PREMIUM &...
New 40ft High Cube 6 Door Container (A53002)
New 40ft High Cube...
2013 VERMEER VACTRON LP555 DT HYDROVAC TRAILER (A52472)
2013 VERMEER...
1990 GREAT DANE 28' REFER (A52472)
1990 GREAT DANE...
2021 LIDDELL C-55 RGN (A52472)
2021 LIDDELL C-55...
 
Top