L44OO FEL questions

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rope1

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AGCO ST34 A
I have been shopping between an L3400 and L4400, both with FEL, and was leaning towards the L4400, but my dealer didn't recomend the gear drive transmission for the FEL. He thought I would be better off with the hydro option and the L3400. Anybody had any experience with these 2 models? I really like the horsepower and size of the 4400, but he's got me worried about the trasmission now.
 
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I've never done FEL work with a gear tractor but it does seem the HST is the best or easiest for most folks for FEL work.
 
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I have The L4400 with gear drive and a FEL, I have no problems working the FEL. But I am just used to running a gear drive from being on larger tractors.
 
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Gear guy here too, not any problem. Also depends what material you are FELing. Heavy material may give the HST a real workout. Have heard stories of HST just stopping. I was serious about a HST until I read those stories, and also have been told by HST owners, and now a Kioti engineer that for the HST to work the best, the tractor must be near the engine rpms for the PTO. This means that the tractor must be reving near 2600rpm all the time. This sounded expensive to me in fuel, not to mention the engine getting a workout all the time. Nice thing about gear it that it's almost it's own cruise control. Load up, back up, shuttle shift of course, get going forward, with syncro trans, shift on the fly, and cruise to your destination. HST would be good for a lot of back and forth action, which may tire your leg out. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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Rope, I've got a gear drive L4300 with loader and, for my loader work, it's perfect. HST would've been an unnecessary expense. I use the loader mainly for lifting and relocating heavy objects (deadfalls, stumps, tree limbs, scrap metal, etc.). In the winter it's used to push back the snow banks along the drive.

However, my applications aren't yours and it's easy to conceive of loader applications where HST would be a plus. If you'll be using the loader to load a manure spreader or load dirt on a wagon, HST would probably be a wise choice. For either of these jobs, many bucket loads would be required to load the wagon and each bucket load would require a couple of transitions from forward to reverse. Clutching, stopping and changing gears for each of these transitions would significantly add to operator workload. Loading a spreader once a month with a gear tractor wouldn't be a big deal but, if you had to do it a couple of times a week, it would get old quick.

Best thing to do is to list your own loader applications and visualize how you will accomplish each task. If, on average, you're pumping the clutch more than once a minute, HST might be for you. HST would also be a plus if you're considering a snow blower or a tiller due to the infinite speed control it gives you...in both directions.

Myself, I value the straightforward simplicity of gear tractors and would probably go gear even if HST cost the same. But, for certain applications, HST is tough to beat.

BTW, I love my L4300 and, with the L4400 being an upgraded L4300, it's gotta be even better. Lotsa power in a small package at a very good price.
Bob
 
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Thanks for the input, I was basically looking for someone to agree with me, or tell me I was dead wrong. Everything I own has a gear transmission, including the L2500 I have now, no FEL, so I couldn't see getting rid of a good thing. Are there any other options I should get with this? I'm planning on rear wheel wheights, possible remote valve.
 
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Just to echo what others have said, I recently got an L4400 with the A703 FEL. I've had it about 2 months. I like manual transmissions but I've never owned a tractor or operated an FEL before now. Despite that, I find FEL operation to be very simple and natural even with awkward and repetative FEL tasks. I have no HST experience and I imagine it is easier on the operator, but I really don't think the gear drive limits what you can do with the FEL.

I've said this before, but I put it in second gear low for FEL work. Reverse is directly across from low and so back and forth is quite easy. If I need to move away or carry the load I flip it into high. I do notice, after a lot of work, that my 'clutch knee' (which is 43 years old today) gets a little sore. I can live with it. And I think the extra horsepower and better price on the L4400 are worth it. I'm still amazed how strong this machine is. I never imagined it would be this powerful.
 
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Hello Rope1,

I just traded a TC33D (hydro) for a L3430DT, both with FEL. IMO, the gearbox works better than the hydro for FEL work - I can't stall the tranny with the 3430 when scooping from a large pile of material. Another note, the 3430 has a synchronized gearbox and most likely will price out a few dollars lower than the 4400. Mark
 

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