Leaning toward 4110HST...

[ADin]

As my first post, I am trying to locate final information to solidify an 4110HST purchase decision.

Just a little background:
- 2.5 Acres (50-50 lawn/light woods)
- Half of woods is cleared of anything smaller than thumb and mowed about ~6-7 times per year.
- Currently own 2000 JD335 serving me quite well.

Expected Usage:
- I have approximately 15 triaxles of dirt to move this summer to fill mesquito breeding grounds and moving rip-raft(sp?) along a creek.
- I will also be doing extensive landscaping in the 1 acre yard planting trees, terraces, etc.
- I also help take care of ~3-4 acres of flat but quite rough mowing for my parents which is mowed ~3 times/year.
- Long term is mostly mowing, although if past is indicator of future, I will always find odd tasks to perform (mulching, snow, firewood, etc).

The reality is my 335 is probably all I really need, but between the need (both real and perceived), along with a long standing toy factor desire for a FEL, I have convinced myself (almost) to go forward.

As many before me I have agonized between the 2210, 4110, and 4115. Given that I'm still doubt regarding my true need to upgrade in the first place, the last thing I want to do is upgrade and not go large enough to do something I want to do in 5 years. At the same time I don't want to look silly mowing on something too large. This was my concern with the 4415, along with garage space, hauling trailer size, etc.

Questions are:
1) For transporting, I would be looking to get the absolute smallest trailer for hauling and really wanted to stay with a 5' x 8/9/10' trailer. I haven't studied the trailers recently, but I seem to recall some had a couple extra inches between the wheelwells and I was hoping a 60" deck would fit (this was a negative mark against the 2210's 62") especially with deck raised. Has anybody seen such trailers, or am I stuck going to a 6' wide trailer? Although, I know the weight is pushing it, does anyone here have experience hauling one of these beasts in an F150 shortbed?

2) The turning radius for the 4110 is listed as 7.5'. What does this coorespond to in terms of actual cutting radius with 60" deck or in relation to my current 335? The lawn has few obstacles at the moment, but mowing the woods is obviously different.

3) There are statements made on the forum that the 2210 has a marginally better mowing performance. Again, are they both comparible to cut on 335 or better/worse? Is the difference between 4110 and 2210 primarily related to deck design, blade speed, wheel base, or deck weight, or some nebulas combination of all?

4) There are comments made about the 4110 deck installation being more involved that on 2210. Is this simply due to weight or are there inherent design difference?

5) Is there a dB rating for the 4110? (e.g. 2210 listed at 86)?

6) I'm assuming that the 4410's larger tires will be less harsh on the lawn despite being a little heavier. Is this a correct assumption or are they so close it's a don't care?

7) I do have some slopes/ditches, etc. The 335 has no problems (tipping) although traction is occasionally an issue. I realize the 2210 is lower, but does anybody have data on approximate center of gravity for the 2210/4110 so I can extrapolate their cat-like skills?

8) I've seen references to 4P versus 6P tires on some threads and I've had issues with 335 versus hawthorn thorns. The hawthorn are quickly becoming extinct as a result. However, does anyone know the details on the 4110s tires regarding ply? Is there a choice?

9) I see talk of the 3000 series which seems to be replacing the larger 4000 series tractors. Anything on the horizon (<1 yr) regarding the 4010/4110/4115 models?

10) Any last thoughts to make me further doubt the 4110HST choice (either 2210, stay with 335, or other)?

Thanks for any help and sorry for the long post. The replies can be shorter...

BTW - I may have a 335, front blade, 54" mower for sale soon if anyone is interested .

ADin

 

[JDGREEN4ME]

I had a 16' tandem axle trailer that I used when I had my 4110. With the FEL and rear blade on it just fit with the gate up on the trailer! I towed that set-up with a Ford Ranger so I would think an F150 should not be a problem. If the 4110 is the size tractor you need I would recomend it. Never had a problem with mine. Have you checked any other brands?

 

[RalphVa]

The 2210 has a better positioner for the MMM than the 4010/4110. I'd go to a dealer that has MMMs on both a 2210 and a 4010 or 4110 and have him show you the install/removal on both. This, and the positioner, seem to be the differences I've read about herein.

I have a 4010 and would think that it has PLENTY of power for what you need and would save you $2,000. However, it and the 4110 would share MMMs.

One of the reasons I went with the 4010 was for the higher ground clearance and the possibility of using some other implements. For instance, a friend gave me his old soil ripper. Don't think the 2210 would lift high enough to keep the front tines from digging into the dirt at EVERY small dip in the ground. The 4010 also has cruise control vs. none on the 2210.

The 2210 is the best buy for hp, IF YOU NEED IT. Suspect most people buy 22-24 hp tractors the same as the reason they buy V8 engines. I'll be willing to bet that VERY FEW people with big V8s never use more than about half the power available.

Ralph

 

[JDFANATIC]

ADin,

I can't speak for the trailering issues, but the 2210 is a superb mowing tractor. I don't know if that is because of the 62" MMM or what, but I'm very happy with it. As for stability, your 3xx will be better, but the 2210 isn't bad. I have some fairly severe slope issues and it never gives me a problem, although I did buy a tilt-meter. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif As for the FEL, it works great on the 2210, albeit a little slow, though I think you would have to step up to the 4110 vs the 4010 before you noticed a big improvement. The 2210 also doesn't have position control on the 3PH, so that might be something to think about as well as the limited height (something that hasn't meant anything to me). The 2210 can tear up your lawn on sharp turns and/or slope conditions, but so can your 3xx or an X series for that matter. I did measure the uncut diameter left by the 2210/62MMM combo, and it is 36" so it can maneuver very well. The biggest drawback to maneuveribility is the non-folding ROPS. That can be a PIA, but then again, I'm always sure it's up when needed! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Good luck, sounds like a fun problem to have! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[JClark]

I have a 4110 and use it for similar tasks so I will offer my 2 cents.

1) I use a 6x12 single axle trailer for transport. The 4110 with FEL and 60" BB just fits and the trailer carries it fine. Note I don't have filled tires because I use the tractor to mow my lawn. I don't believe the 60" MMM will fit on a 5' trailer. It is unlikely you would get a 4110 in the bed of a F-150 and it is too much weight anyway.

2) One reason I bought the 4110 was for the tight turning radius. I cut around a lot of trees and I estimate the inside of the MMM scribes about a 3' diameter circle at full lock.

3) The mowing performance between a 2210 and 4110 are likely very similar. The important differences are related to 3 pt hitch capabilities and chassis height. I chose the 4110 because it was the smallest chassis I could get and still retain full 3 pt hitch capabilities.

4) The MMM mount on the 4110 works well enough although it is definitely not slick. The deck latch kit is a necessity. Once setup, removal and installation is a breeze. Removing the deck on concrete takes me about 90 seconds, installation about 3 minutes.

5) Don't know but it is quieter than my GT275.

6) Depends on what tires, turf, ag, industrial. I have turf and am very pleased with the low impact they have on my lawn, even when using the FEL.

7) No data, but have not managed to roll my 4110 over yet. Stability with the MMM is very good. I have a very deep and steep sided ditch that I cut and have not had any problems.

8) Again, depends on type of tire.

9) No info

10) From what you describe I would go with the 4110 for the increased 3 pt hitch, hydraulic and FEL capabilities. I use the FEL for moving rip-rap, dirt, logs, gravel, road sand, etc. I have a 60" box blade for landscaping and road building and it makes great ballast for the FEL. I also use a 6' straight blade with a gauge wheel for maintaining various lanes and plowing snow. For mowing I use the 60" MMM on my lawn, a 72" RFM for the the field and a 4' bushhog for the really rough areas.

Overall the 4110 is a good tractor with some deficiencies. It is built by Yanmar which makes very reliable machinery. The MMM for the 4110 is built like a tank and cuts very nicely when adjusted properly. On the downside the ground clearance of the MMM is inadequate when fully raised and the mounting system is a bit primitive. The 3pt hitch is great and allow the use of implements the 2210 just can't handle. The FEL is strong and handles loads I am surprised at. The best feature of the FEL is how easy it is to install and remove. This feature sold me on the 4110 over tractors of different colors.

 

[Wom]

I have the 4110H with 410 loader, 53" bucket, 54" MMM, a 5' rear blade, ballast box, and R4 tires. I have been extremely pleased so far (40 hours) using it for tasks similar to yours. The loader responds quickly and removal and installation is extremely easy. My lightweight rear blade helps a lot with ballast, but the ballast box is much better and more compact - just not very useful.

I don't really see how the mower could be much easier either. It takes me as long to swivel the gauge wheels around as it does to do the other tasks. I don't know about the 2210 deck control, but the 4110 uses the rockshaft position control, so it's very easy to lift and then lower back to the same place. I do recommend the deck latch kit or something similar. I made one out of parts I already had laying around. I have found the deck clearance to be decent, but I wouldn't take it in the woods.

I have not had any stability issues on slopes except for once when I had the loader attached with no ballast. Even empty, the loader is heavy. One thing I do find useful when operating on slopes is the independent brakes. Some say they aren't needed, but I've found the very useful when trying to turn up slope out of the ditch I mow and in a few other situations too. Even in 4WD, the front end can be prone to sliding down slope or reluctant to turn up - especially if it's wet. I think that's another thing the 2210 does not have if it matters to you.

I haven't found the turf damage to be bad even with the R4 tires and don't think the weight difference between the models would be of much concern. I mow part of the time in 4WD with no problems as long as it isn't turned too sharp. Overall, it does less damage than my Cub Cadet mower due to the extra traction. The R4 tires are 4ply front & 6ply rear. I'm not sure about the turfs.

Concerning power, I think any of them would be fine. I have hooked up a 6 foot brush hog just to see how it did and was impressed. The only real complaint I have is that I wish they had given it a three range transmission. Low range is geared for about 4-5 mph while high is geared for 12 mph. I would like to have something in between. It doesn't have much power in high but is adequate to climb moderate grades. There are parts of my yard where I have to use low. The low range is plenty stout.

 

[Cliff_Johns]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( 5) Is there a dB rating for the 4110? (e.g. 2210 listed at 86)? )</font>

I have no idea what the db rating is, but I have a story about that. I was a little worried about the 4110 making too much noise for my neighbor, but I was using the backhoe and my wife and my neighbor were talking by the fence and they had no trouble hearing each other. They were about 30 feet away. My other neighbor (opposite side) was mowing his lawn at the time, and every time he came by our fence, they had to stop talking because his lawn tractor was too loud (about 90 feet away).

In any case, I recommend you wear hearing protection if you're running an engine close by. Don't want to spend you elder years say "Ay?" all the time.

4110 is a fine machine with lots of features. You'll enjoy it.

Cliff

 

[ADin]

Thanks for the good inputs. I did dig out info on one of the trailers I was remembering and it is 64"x8' or 64"x10'. I will have to go by the JD dealer tomorrow, but I'm hoping a 60" deck will just make it. Obviously, I might need to load the bucket/RB in back of truck to haul both those, but hauling them should be rarer events.

 

[bigpete]

I owned a 2210 and moved up to a 4110. I was very happy with the 2210 for work simlar to what you describe, and am equally happy to have the bigger machine. They will both do all the things you mentioned and both mow well. As I am sure you know by now, the 4110 has definate advantages in 3-pont hitch function and a few other more "deluxe" features. If you allowed me to spend your money I would go with the 4110. You would never wonder what you were missing later on. Make sure you have your dealer install the folding ROPS, block heater, lights, bucket hooks, accessories, etc., before delivery. That way you only have to justify the cost one time /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif