lift capacities c to d series

[mouse]

hi all, just about to become the owner of a new c series here in oz, well its 4 hours old and plated 06...

is anyone knowledgable about any differences in design and construction of the d series vs the c. I see the d is now rated at 2200lbs but from what i've read here the lifting bits seem to be the same.

afaik the d has not landed in australia as yet.

as an aside i'm trying to work out whether to fabricate myself a 3pt powered bracket fopr the front end so i can run a bunch of 3pt gear i have like a slasher etc.

kind of hoping i can use the auger motor but not clear on specs esp speed for it as yet.

my searching fo the web has dismally failed to find me any useful specs for a hydraulic motor that will accept 18gpm/3000psi and give me 540ish rpm...

 

[Spudgunner]

Welcome to the forum. The differences between the Toolcat Series (a vs b vs c vs d) have been flogged pretty well on these forums and I suggest using this site's search function to preen through the posts (and checkout the Bobcat (USA) website). If you use Firefox as your browser you could install the Scrapbook add-in so as to help you capture snippets of useful info (and there is ALOT). One major difference is that the D has a "spine" frame while earlier Series have a box frame. The fallout from this redesign isn't minor with the engine getting relocated...amongst other items.

At least here in the USA, the gross front lift capacity on D-Series is still 1500# with reports on this forum of practical limits somewhat higher. Your 3-pt on the front sounds interesting; however, it seems to me that there is a commercial one available if you are interested.

Once again, welcome, and good luck with your purchase.

 

[dylan]

I've got a hydraulic motor that might interest you. I bought it so I could convert my 3ph rototiller to operate on my toolcat. It converts 3000 psi and 18 gpm to 540 rpm. It is splined the same as a tractor pto shaft. I ended up selling the tiller before I could convert it.

I will dig it out from my parts shelf and find out who makes it and what size motor it is.

Cheers dylan

 

[mouse]

spudgunner, thanks for your suggestions.

i thought i've turned over this forum pretty thoroughly, inc most of the threads over 16 pages that seemed to have any relevance before asking the question.

I am aware of the differences in frame c to d and in lifting arm b to c but the question i was trying to ask is what is the difference c to do in the arm if any.

I also note that the usa bobcat site currently lists rated capacity for the d series at 2200lb vs the c's 1500.

there is a pto attachment available in the usa for just shy of 4k from memory which would mean a landed cost here of roughly this:

unit 4k
freight $1600 at a guess, possibly more ( a 40' container west coast to the door is 5500 and if push came to shove i'd fit a boston whaler or two in with it)
so 5600 usd converted at today's rates = 6392 aud
plus 10% gst tax locally. and maybe 5% import duty tho usa origin stuff is supposed to be duty free

equals the princely sum of close enough to 7k aud landed...

to give you some relative idea - a 5' brushcat over here is about 8500. last harley rake i saw second hand was asking 13k. the aircon option is 8k locally vs your 4200 or so.

the pto gear is considerably cheaper.

dylan I would be most interested to know what it is thank you.

and for a red herring has anyone tried one of the front mounted spreaders? the bobcat one looks cumbersome to load tho.

 

[dsb5610]

I also note that the usa bobcat site currently lists rated capacity for the d series at 2200lb vs the c's 1500.

Mouse,

I think you are referring to the machine rated capacity (passengers+cargo) of 2200lbs. The boom lift capacity is 1500lbs to 7', 2000lbs to 4' on all Toolcats.

dsb

 

[Spudgunner]

...
and for a red herring has anyone tried one of the front mounted spreaders? the bobcat one looks cumbersome to load tho.

Rip, one of the frequent posters to this forum in the near past, appears to have some sort of front-end spreader that's kinda like a bucket with a hydraulic motor attached for spreading. I believe the usage of this thing is to use it just like a bucket to dive into a pile of sand and/or salt, curl the bucket back, and then go to the desired location and turn the hyd on to spread the material. I've seen those advertised somewhere...

Lately, we've been getting alot of ice and I've been using a lo-pro bucket to grab a load of small gravel or sand and then tote it to the slick location. By using the Toolcat's work mode and manually "wobbling" the joystick one can lay-down a pretty nice layer of traction material while moving forward or backward. Not as nice as a real spreader...but acceptable, IMO, for smaller areas.

 

[radman1]

I think you are referring to the machine rated capacity (passengers+cargo) of 2200lbs. The boom lift capacity is 1500lbs to 7', 2000lbs to 4' on all Toolcats.

dsb

I was told by bobcat rep, that 2000 lb lift capability is to full height. Due to the geometry of the boom, whatever it can lift to half way, it can lift to full height. The greatest mechanical disadvantage to the lift is when the boom is horizontal. Anything higher in the lift path is actually less effort for the hydraulic system. As the boom near full height, it is more vertical and thus can lift more.

 

[Rip]

In response to SpudGunner's post, my long-awaited front-mount sander/spreader just arrived at the dealer in Kamloops, BC from Thomas, so I can not provide any first-hand evaluation at this point.

You can see the limited info Thomas lists for it here:
Thomas Equipment Inc. Products: Attachments

It is Model 1943 and is self-loading in that you go into a pile of bulk material like a bucket and then tip it back and opperate the hyd spinner to spread. It weighs about 400 lbs and holds about 1/3 of a cubic yard, which with wet sand would be about 1300 lbs for a total of 1700 lbs - a good load for a Toolcat. Mine cost about CD$2K plus shipping & tax.

SkidSteerSolutions.com has a larger similar model that holds about a yard and weighs over 700 lbs empty (also costs more). Baumann (also in Canada) makes a couple models mainly for 3 pt PTO tractors, but also will make hydraulic versions for SSL, but they are over twice the $$. Normand (also Canada) makes a self-loading hyd drop sander that also holds a yard and weighs 750 lbs.

The primary attraction for me of this Thomas model was the self-loading aspect....at 57 I did not want to have to hand shovel into the hopper. Will be using a 90/10 sand/salt bulk mix for treating steep north-facing dirt roads that tend to ice up during daily freeze/thaw cycles. This model was the best I found, at least by description & looks. Never found anyone on these forums with first or even second-hand knowledge of one though.

Could have used it over the holidays as we had a house full of guests and the drive was quite icy, but we all made it. We are back in Colorado for a while, but I may get a second-hand report on how it works before I get my hands on it.

Rip

 

[mouse]

Mouse,

I think you are referring to the machine rated capacity (passengers+cargo) of 2200lbs. The boom lift capacity is 1500lbs to 7', 2000lbs to 4' on all Toolcats.

dsb

maybe i am but i am also under the belief that the same usa bobcat site lists the c series at 1500 vs the d series at 2200 lbs fopr whatever capacity it is that they rate.

i found the historical specs for the earlier models somewhere in there - i think it might be on a sidebar in the compare models section.

where did you find the spec that rates the machine to 2000lb at 4'. or is it folklore??


rip, needless to say I'm all ears!

 

[dsb5610]

where did you find the spec that rates the machine to 2000lb at 4'. or is it folklore??

mouse,

I did a quick search for the 4' numbers but did not find anything directly from Bobcat. I can't find much detail on Bobcat's website after their re-design. There is actually an old thread on this website indicating a Bobcat rep said in an email 2000lbs to 60" but I think that was pertaining to the 'C' model. I did find the 1500lbs to full height and 3000lbs tipping load.

dsb