Loader control valve, weird joystick pattern....

[montejw]

I just received a joystick loader control valve I bought. Finally found some literature on it, now it seems to me that the joystick pattern is backwards.

Here is the "standard" pattern:

boom up

bucket tip neutral bucket rollback

boom down

Here is the "optional" pattern", which seems standard to me:

boom down

bucket rollback neutral bucket tip

boom up


Part of it might be me, coming from using a vertical sticked joystick on a backhoe at work. This control valve will be mounted horizontally.

Monte

 

[MadReferee]

Since you don't tell us what brand valve you have, it is sort of difficult to help you.

However, you can change the direction of a function's movement by simply swapping it's work port connections. What was Up will then become Down. You just have to be careful with things like float and regen detents.

Some valves can actually change the direction by changing the linkage.

Basically I would need more info in order to help further.

 

[Soundguy]

Eh? Sure beats what i'm using!

Soundguy

I just received a joystick loader control valve I bought. Finally found some literature on it, now it seems to me that the joystick pattern is backwards.

Part of it might be me, coming from using a vertical sticked joystick on a backhoe at work. This control valve will be mounted horizontally.

Monte

 

[montejw]

Since you don't tell us what brand valve you have, it is sort of difficult to help you.

Oops. It's the Brand Hydraulics LV22RFSTKAB at Surplus Center.

Surplus Center Item Detail

Link to the "manual", pdf file about 2.2 mb.

http://www.brand-hyd.com/lv/lv0207.pdf

However, you can change the direction of a function's movement by simply swapping it's work port connections. What was Up will then become Down. You just have to be careful with things like float and regen detents.

Some valves can actually change the direction by changing the linkage.

Basically I would need more info in order to help further.

It's supposed to have regen for the bucket and float for the boom, so I'm not sure if I can just swap hoses.

Monte

 

[MadReferee]

Nothing weird about that valve, other than the way they drew the picture for the standard configuration. Just rotate the standard valve 180 degrees in either direction so the hose side is on the left as you look down at the handle and you have the standard pattern that is on most every CUT. That orientation might make it hard to mount hoses but that is the design of the valve.

Awkard, maybe yes. Weird, absolutely not.

 

[montejw]

Nothing weird about that valve, other than the way they drew the picture for the standard configuration. Just rotate the standard valve 180 degrees in either direction so the hose side is on the left as you look down at the handle and you have the standard pattern that is on most every CUT. That orientation might make it hard to mount hoses but that is the design of the valve.

Awkard, maybe yes. Weird, absolutely not.

Yeah, I see that now, good eye. Awkward for sure. The valve mounts high, above the cowling. It would have to be mounted "on edge" with the hoses pointed over the engine cowling. The stick is horizontal pointed toward the rear of the tractor.

I spun the joystick anchor around 180. That gives me hoses up, valve flat, up stick is boom down. But left stick is bucket dump. If I make a new anchor plate and move the anchor to the opposite side it is now I'll have what I want.

Weird that they put those drawings sort of upside down.

Monte

 

[montejw]

Eh? Sure beats what i'm using!

Soundguy

So..... what's that hooked to? Looks old.

Monte

 

[Soundguy]

So..... what's that hooked to? Looks old.

Monte

That is the loader control valve ( tapped off tractor hyds on the hyd top cover - 4gpm! ) on my 1955 ford 850 with ford 711 1-arm loader. In the pics, that's the one with the blue loader. i also have a near identical 1955 ford 660 with a ford 722 1-arm loader with a similar valve setup.

One spool is lift/drop, the other spool is dump/curl.

Way better than using a wheel barrow.. even if the controlls are a little odd!
Your joystick setup looks great to me.. etc.

Soundguy

 

[schmism]

i thought the bucket roll was weird on mine... but have come to like it

bucketdown nutral bucketup --->quickdump


so if you push right it ups then farther right past a detent quick dump, which I found great for flicking the joystick across the detent = wiggleing the bucket really well if your feathering material or have sticky material etc.

 

[mytoys]

Sounguy that is the most unique loader i've ever seen...wow. I just love those old machines/designs.

 

[montejw]

That is the loader control valve ( tapped off tractor hyds on the hyd top cover - 4gpm! ) on my 1955 ford 850 with ford 711 1-arm loader. In the pics, that's the one with the blue loader. i also have a near identical 1955 ford 660 with a ford 722 1-arm loader with a similar valve setup.

One spool is lift/drop, the other spool is dump/curl.

Way better than using a wheel barrow.. even if the controlls are a little odd!
Your joystick setup looks great to me.. etc.

Soundguy

Nice. I like the one armed loader. Is that tire as flat as it looks?
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/customization/72306d1173984875-loader-control-valve-weird-joystick-660hay.jpghttp://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...ontrol-valve-weird-joystick-frvwhr-large-.jpg

 

[Soundguy]

When i first got my 660 a few years ago, it already had the laoder on it. i had no manual and figured it was pretty 'light duty'. About a year ago i found a manual, and crossreferenced the bracket kit and the loader frame components
.. seems there were a few different brackets, and a few different frame components. Mine were the 'HD' units that would lift 1200# and break out 3k# Once i found that out i started moving round bales with it. Late last year I found another laoder frame at a junk dealer. picked it up and then early this year found an 850 to put it on. A few hundred bucks in hoses and a valve ( quite a few hundred ).. and i had another loader... finding the brackets was the hardest aprt.. they are worse than hen's teeth..

Soundguy

Sounguy that is the most unique loader i've ever seen...wow. I just love those old machines/designs.

 

[montejw]

Yeah, I see that now, good eye. Awkward for sure. The valve mounts high, above the cowling. It would have to be mounted "on edge" with the hoses pointed over the engine cowling. The stick is horizontal pointed toward the rear of the tractor.

I spun the joystick anchor around 180. That gives me hoses up, valve flat, up stick is boom down. But left stick is bucket dump. If I make a new anchor plate and move the anchor to the opposite side it is now I'll have what I want.

Weird that they put those drawings sort of upside down.

Monte

I just realized I'd need to switch the spools in the valve casting. Can that be done, swap the spools side to side in the valve?

Monte

 

[MadReferee]

I just realized I'd need to switch the spools in the valve casting. Can that be done, swap the spools side to side in the valve?

Monte

Only if the spools are stackable, like the Prince SV valve.

However, you may be able to take the guts out of each spool and swap them. I'd call the manufacturer and ask. From the looks of the outside casting it might work, but the internal machining may preclude swapping.

 

[montejw]

Only if the spools are stackable, like the Prince SV valve.

However, you may be able to take the guts out of each spool and swap them. I'd call the manufacturer and ask. From the looks of the outside casting it might work, but the internal machining may preclude swapping.

Not stackable. I'll have to call.

Monte

 

[duksrule]

I know this is a very old thread but did you find a valve or get yours to work? I am having the exact same problem and looked at this valve.

I need a valve that I can mount so that the lines come out the top/flat part of the valve and then down is down up is up and side to side tips bucket.

With this valve it looked like if you mount it with the lines pointing up then side to side would be raise and lower and up down would be bucket tilt. I don't have the room to mount something with the lines coming out of the sides and need them coming out the top and I would also like to change as little plumbing as possible.

 

[montejw]

I know this is a very old thread but did you find a valve or get yours to work?....

Sorry, I haven't run this tractor in years. Right now I don't remember how it ended up working. I don't remember it being unusable if that helps any.

 

[Pauchik]

Because of the injuries that are common (not infrequently lethal) with front end loaders (FEL) with joystick controls, a FOPS (falling object protection system) should be installed on any tractor with a joystick, really any tractor with a (FEL). The reason, it is difficult to distinguish the liftarm raise from the dump position. when this occurs attempting to dump may result in raising the liftarms and dumping the load into the operators lap or on his head.