Look What Was In My Hydraulic Filter!!!

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nspec

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Kubota B2630, '53 Farmall Super H, '47 Farmall AI, '44 Farmall A
Here's the background. B2630 - 260 hrs, 4 year old machine. I know it's not a lot, but I've used the daylights out of the machine for that time. Initial 100 hrs was mostly hard backhoe and loader work. Testing the limits of the machine moving very large rocks and digging out very large stumps. The remainder was mostly 3 point work - blade, tiller, wood chipper, post hole digger, and various loader work. Tractor has always performed flawlessly. I'm used to much larger equipment, so I'm pretty critical, too.

A couple of weeks ago, I was running the chipper for a half hour or so with the tractor on a pretty good slope - front end lower than the rear. Upon finishing this, I was moving some pretty good buckets full of firewood when I noticed my steering effort suddenly increased. It wasn't hard to steer, but the increase in effort was quite noticeable, especially turning left. I thought while I was in the woods maybe I hit a steering cylinder or overloaded the front end somehow with the weight of the firewood. No way, I've done all this plenty of times before. So I get to thinking that perhaps while running the tractor at pto speed on that sharp angle, maybe I sucked something up in a hydraulic filter.....

Decided to do my 300 hr service a little early. Imagine my surprise when I pulled the first filter off! This was the filter that faces front/rear, not left/right. It appears to be at the low point of the system also. It is my understanding that this filter that plugged is for the hydraulic circuit (including the steering) and the other is for the hydrostatic transmission.

The foreign matter appears to be some sort of excess sealant that was used to mate two surfaces and probably squeezed out as excess. As it was all in the return holes of the filter and not on the suction side, I think I'm fine. Tractor seemed fine after the fluid and filter change and steering was back to normal, I believe. I'm just a little surprised that this didn't happen a lot earlier.

On another note, I made the switch from regular UDT to Super UDT2 just for grins to see if there would be a difference in hydro whine. It was only $20 bucks more, so I figured what the heck. To all those doubters - I was one - there is a very noticeable difference! I was quite surprised - shocked, really. I honestly didn't expect a difference at all. Made the machine the whole lot quieter. The whine is not gone altogether, but close. Much, much better. I'm sold.

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Tractor seemed fine after the fluid and filter change and steering was back to normal, I believe. I'm just a little surprised that this didn't happen a lot earlier.

On another note, I made the switch from regular UDT to Super UDT2 just for grins to see if there would be a difference in hydro whine. It was only $20 bucks more, so I figured what the heck. To all those doubters - I was one - there is a very noticeable difference! I was quite surprised - shocked, really. I honestly didn't expect a difference at all. Made the machine the whole lot quieter. The whine is not gone altogether, but close. Much, much better. I'm sold.

Glad to hear the tractor is ok. Never seen gunk like that before. On the switch to Super UDT2 also glad to hear how much quieter the whine is. That is a big complaint among HST transmissions on the smaller Kubotas. Thanks for sharing.
 
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There are some older threads with pictures that show similiar debris in those filters. ... as I recall. P, S. my B2620 HST doesn't whine; that is, I don't think so.
 
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When I changed my BX1500 filter and Hydraulic fluid I went with SUDTII and I noticed the same things you did with being quiter and smother in operation.
 
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You are lucky you caught that. Hopefully it will not cause any problems down the road.
 
   / Look What Was In My Hydraulic Filter!!! #6  
Never made it to the pump.
That filter saved your bacon.
 
   / Look What Was In My Hydraulic Filter!!!
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No Kidding! All the trash was on the return side of the filter - none on the suction side. I lucked out on this one for sure.
 
   / Look What Was In My Hydraulic Filter!!! #8  
To my understanding, all the debris IS on the suction side of the filter.. The oil is channeled through the holes so it passes from the outside of the filter to the inside, so you have a larger filtering medium and less chance of plugging that way. Almost all filters are designed like this. The center hole should be the filter outlet on the way to the hydraulic pump. The hydraulic filter on my L3400 is located in the suction line coming from the bottom of the transmission case, I suspect yours is also on the suction side of the system, since the filter won't stand 2500PSI of hydraulic pressure.

The "stuff" is the RTV (room temperature vulcanising) silicone based sealant Kubota uses to seal the transmission cases, mine was like that when I removed the top of the tranny to access the 3 pt valve. The fact that the silicone squeezes out and then cures and can possibly get carried into the oil stream is the reason a lot of mechanics (myself included) don't like the stuff. It can be bad news if it gets in the wrong place.

If you use "just enough" it'll seal properly but doesn't leave a bead of squeezed out silicone hanging inside the case. The tendency (human nature) is to use "a little extra" to be sure it seals.

When I resealed my transmission, I used Loctite 518 sealant, which will dissolve in hot oil if it gets squeezed out. It's an anaerobic sealant, which means that it only cures when it's NOT exposed to air, as in between the mating surfaces. If I took the cases apart today, what wasn't between the case halves would either be washed away in the oil stream or still liquid. I'm surprised Kubota still uses the RTV silicone, it's getting to be a backyard mechanic product these days.

Sean
 
   / Look What Was In My Hydraulic Filter!!! #9  
Filter did it's job. I've seen worse on this site.
 
   / Look What Was In My Hydraulic Filter!!!
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Sean:

I think we're talking about the same thing with regards to the 'suction side' of the filter. I call the middle clear hole the suction side, because as you and I both explain it, the pump sucks the clean oil from the center hole. This oil has been pulled from the sump, through those smaller outer holes in the filter, passing through the filter membrane to get to the center 'suction' area. Perhaps my description is incorrect. I was thinking in terms of the system/pump suction, calling the outer holes the return, not suction.

Anyway, the junk was on the 'proper' side of the filter to prevent any pump damage! (Thank goodness)
 

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