M7060 Tier 4 question

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TXCYCLE

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I was at my local dealer today looking at a 2015 M7060 Cab, Hyd Shuttle. Dealer said next shipment of 7060's in 2015 and from 2016 on would have DEF added on top of the regen system. And would cost more, be more complex, etc, etc. I thought 2015 was tier 4 final, can someone clear this up for me? Or could the tractor be a 2013 or 2014? Thanks, Larry.
 
   / M7060 Tier 4 question #2  
There is wiggle room for manufacturers in order to ease the transition. They can use credits for providing cleaner engines early to stretch out implementation. Only the implement manufacturer can determine the actual delivery for each model. For instance I have yet to see any of Kubota's M7, M6, & M5 series at my dealer while the regulations say Tier 4 final has already been implemented. I don't know about your tractor model as I am only in the market for the M6 or M7.

The regulation states full compliance 31 December 2014 so tractors 75 HP to 175 HP need to have been in compliance or have already been built and shipped by that date.

The tractor at which you are looking falls in the 37 to 75 HP range. Closest to that range I looked at was the L6060 CUT and it was already Tier 4 final compliant last year without DEF. The 75 - 175 HP are compliant for soot with Tier 4 interim but need DEF to reduce NOX. DEF allows them to reduce EGR and run a higher combustion temperature which should result in significantly improved fuel economy but that savings is probably not significant for small users who don't put a ton of hous on their tractor per year.
 
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DEF is only over 75 Hp. He is right, that the new models coming with DEF are a lot more expensive.. but 70Hp should be spared that.
 
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MHarry & Mr. Messick, thanks for the reply & information. The question wasn't worded well, I should of just ask "so if it's tier 4 final why would you add DEF"?
If I understand you both, maybe he is a little confused (as a lot of the rest of us like me) and the 75HP and under won't have the DEF regulation added?
He did say even the small 25HP tractors would all have DEF soon. I hope that's incorrect. I'm not a fan of regen and sure not of DEF, should of listened to him and bought a couple years ago. Thanks again, Larry.
 
   / M7060 Tier 4 question #5  
There is no requirement as to how a manufacturer meets the emissions requirement. The requirement is the emissions. Some opted to use DEF from the start and do not have a DPF. Some opted to go the DPF route and now are adding some DEF to meet Tier 4 final. I believe the standard is in grams per kilowatt-hour so smaller engines are allowed to emit more pollutants per kW-hr but since they produce fewer kilowatts, total emissions is lower. Instead of using a sliding scale, they chose to group power classes. Particulates are worst during transitions like engine accelerations. Companies going the DPF route generally are shooting for a very responsive engine and filter out the soot. NOX increases with combustion temperature. Using EGR will reduce combustion temperature at the expense of fuel economy. DEF allows high combustion temperatures but the DEF works with a catalyst to break the NOX down into nitrogen and oxygen - plain old air. Deere says their DPF/DEF combination gives a more responsive engine. CNH says using their DEF only solution is a simpler, less expensive solution eliminating the expensive DPF.

Europe has a much higher density of Diesel engines than North America and is already concerned about emissions, especially particulates, with the Tier 4 standard. Europe uses a different designation, Stage instead of Tier, and the numbering is slightly different. They are now getting ready to set Stage 5 standards for about 2019 - 2020. Engine producers want North America to follow. Japan will likely be as tough or tougher. Still a lot to shake out.
 
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My 2014 M7060 only has the DPF. I was by the dealer last month and noticed the exhaust pipe was different on the newer 2015s they had on the lot. He told me they now have both the DEF and DPF on them. He went on to mention that price had increased X amount (in the thousands).
 
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Thanks Catch. That was the answer I was looking for. Get off the fence and buy now or wait.
 
   / M7060 Tier 4 question #8  
My 2014 M7060 only has the DPF. I was by the dealer last month and noticed the exhaust pipe was different on the newer 2015s they had on the lot. He told me they now have both the DEF and DPF on them. He went on to mention that price had increased X amount (in the thousands).

Again, not correct. There is no DEF on the M7060. The M5\M6\M7 series will have DEF, the current series does not.

https://www.kubota.com/product/NewProducts.aspx
 
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