Comparison mahindra 3650 vs mx4800

[spo307]

im shopping for a tractor i sold my L4400 last year. been youtubing and web searching after owning a kubota i thought i would never change color. but with def emissions kind of made me take a look at the mahindra line the 3650 jumped out right away looking beefier than kubota. seeing 3650 had more lift cap and included 2 rear remotes 7 pin trailer plug. non def or emissions motor made me look. i like the seat and leg room, front loader joystick location, but after pricing which i always thought kubota was more money the 3650 open station fel aux port to front R4 tires was $38 to $40 k priced a L4701 same set up for $30 now thinking MX4800 any thoughts on these 3 ? 60 acres mostly hilly woods 10 acres of fields which i select cut with a 88" hd alamo flail grapple on front to pick trees and debris run some buckets of dirt through screener thank you

 

[jpm]

Just for looking have you looked at massy's ? I thought they didn't have the emission problem s also. I hope this isn't for your levittown place ����

 

[spo307]

no sir 60 acres upstate thank you i will look at massey

 

[audsp98]

Pricing is regional from what I've seen. Down here in Alabama the Kubota's and JD's are more expensive, at least when I bought my 3550 in 2017 that was the case.

The price I got on my tractor was less than $29k for 3550HST and loader before tax.

You can get a 3rd function valve kit from Everything Attachments for less than $1k.

 

[jeff9366]

60 acres mostly hilly woods 10 acres of fields which i select cut with a 88" hd alamo flail grapple on front to pick trees and debris run some buckets of dirt through screener

A Kubota L4701 (3,300 pounds) will feel the same as your previous Kubota L4400 (3,300 pounds).

Kubota MX4800 has recently been discontinued. The only MX4800 inventory is on Kubota dealer lots. The MX series is being reduced to two models from three, with slightly more horsepower and marginally improved operating station in the new MX models. Kubota should have details published by January.

An MX (3,700 pounds) will feel a little more capable and more stable on hills due to weight, bigger wheels and wider wheel stance relative to your previous L4400. MX Loader has considerably more lift capacity and would probably be the feature where you notice a big improvement.


You have DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) and DEF/Urea (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) confused. No tractor with <75-horsepower requires DEF/Urea.

There are numerous reports on T-B-N of Mahindra sales personnel telling tractor shoppers that Mahindra tractors do not have a DPF and do not regenerate, incorrectly implying Mahindrasa are Tier IV compliant without emission control components. There is no Tier IV emission technology exemption for Mahindra nor Massey Ferguson, nor any other tractor brand.

Beginning about thirty-three horsepower most tractors have Diesel Particulate Filters (DPF).

If not DPF, the less used alternative emission technology is Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC). Mahindra has DOC.

Both the DPF and the DOC are honeycomb ceramic filters. The DOC forces engine exhaust over a honeycomb ceramic structure coated with platinum, palladium, and rhodium catalysts. These catalysts oxidize carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons into carbon dioxide and water at hot exhaust temperature.


There is no catalyst associated with a Diesel Particulate Filter. A DPF is a ceramic matrix which accumulates particulates/soot at temperatures below soot ignition temperature. During regeneration, when DPF achieves and maintains 1,100 degrees Fahrenheit temperature, accumulated soot incinerates during 16 minutes or so.

DOC equipped tractors have a DOC oven hot all the time, DPF equipped tractors have a DPF oven hot intermittently.

There is no free lunch.


Tier IV emission controls phased into dealer tractor inventories ten years ago. Old news in 2019.

 

[TheMadOne]

Also I'll add that I hear a lot of people afraid of emissions problems.

What I can't seem to find is a lot of people suffering from them.

Other than the B3350, there's been no widespread emissions problem with tractors that I'm aware of.

To get back closer to topic at hand, the new MX models look like a good economy product to run next to the larger grand L models, especially now that they have a flatter floor and a cab option.

The Mahindra 3560 is a Mahindra made tractor, rather than a rebadge of another make. That makes me nervous, as India made tractors have a reputation for being...dubious on their QC.

 

[ericm979]

The emissions limits breaks are at 25.5hp and 75hp. Below 25.5, no DPF or DOC is needed, the limits can be met with combustion chamber shape and injection timing. Above 25.5hp DPF or DOC is needed to meet the limits with current engineering (the specific tech used to meet the limits is not regulated, only the results are). Most but not all companies use EFI. Above 75hp, current engineering uses EFI, DPF with DEF injection and EGR to meet those stricter limits.

Tier 4 has been in effect for something like five years. It's pretty well worked out by now. Supposedly the B3350 is being replaced.

As far as the OP's dilemma, the Grand L's two speed shift on the fly HST+ sure looks like it'd be nice.

 

[nova3930]

Also I'll add that I hear a lot of people afraid of emissions problems.

What I can't seem to find is a lot of people suffering from them.

I think by and large the engine manufacturers learned their emissions lessons via the on road truck population. DOC was included in even light duty trucks for a long time.

DPF started being introduced in the mid-2000s and caused all sorts of issues at the time. The 6.4 powerstroke that got single digit MPG, loaded or unloaded is a good example.

DEF was introduced in the 2010-12 time frame after DPF. So at the youngest these emissions techs are nearly a decade old.