Mahindra Max28XL, BH Pressure, FEL Pressure...

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Hello to all,
lt has been a little while since I have posted something !
I purchased a Max28 a while back and have been a little disappointed with a few things:
1) the FEL Valve, operates very abruptly, not smooth.
2) the BH digging power, not as powerful as I expected, my SC2450 dug better.
3) reference 1), curling power is low.

I read on the site about increasing the hydraulic pressure, can this been done with the Max 28 XL ?

I have recently contacted my local Mahindra Dealer, about an hour away, asked about these things, hoping for an answer in the next couple of days.

I like the Max28, the stability, the lifting is a little more than the SC2450... Something I needed for the new house but the BH digging is poor at best.

thks for any info or direction to info.
 
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Mahindra Max28XL: Weak backhoe, weak loader, low pressure?

Hi:

I have the same tractor and similar problems. Now, I really like this tractor for the most part - it's the right size for my place, is very maneuverable, carries pretty much what I need it to, and runs forever on a tank of fuel. It is my first tractor and has had no mechanical problems until now (a stabilizer cylinder seal started leaking after more than three years of use - a fairly easy fix, I imagine).

However, I have some problems similar to yours:

(1) The backhoe is pretty weak. Nearly all the digging power comes from the bucket (as it should be, I believe), but the dipper has very little power and the boom is even worse. There is no way I can move anything other than maybe packing peanuts with the boom - up and down or sideways. Further, I can't drag the bucket through anything using the dipper unless I am very actively working the bucket. And although this thing isn't a crane, I tried to lift a Chevy 4.3 engine (minus a lot of its parts - maybe 300 pounds?) - no way - the most it did was slide the engine stand.

(2) The loader control is fairly decent, except that the motion to dump the bucket is much longer than the motion required to curl - it stops dumping halfway and I have to push it to its stop to get it to go over the rest of the way. I can completely curl the bucket with any amount of movement of the control - it just goes faster if I pull it in more. HOWEVER, the backhoe controls are weird. The movements of the bucket, dipper, and boom swing are fairly consistent with their controls and with each other, but the boom 'up and down' is WAY out of proportion. If I move any of the other three controls, say, two inches, I better not move the boom control more than a quarter of an inch - it doesn't even feel like the valve is fully open. If it is moved more than that, the boom will fly straight up in the air (or hit the ground) with all kinds of clanking as the thing crashes into its stops. Obviously dirt goes everywhere. It's like the valve for boom up and down is made for something else. Very annoying. You have to learn a strange technique to be smooth with this thing.

(3) I just discovered this a couple of days ago, and I signed up for this forum so I could ask about it: Although my loader is rated to lift 1402 pounds, it simply won't. I put twelve 80 pound bags of concrete in the bucket, and it just sat there - no lift. I curled the bucket all the way (since the lift is rated at the pins) and again nothing. That was 960 pounds, a far cry from the 1402 pound rating. I took one layer of bags off and moved my concrete 640 pounds at a time. (And the power steering would NOT turn the wheels unless I was moving.)


I know my pump is supposed to put out 2000 psi. I have read (maybe on this forum?) that people have bought these tractors and discovered that pressure was 1800 psi or even less. So I am wondering:

- Where do I plug in a gauge to discover my working pressure (I get the impression that it is actually much less than the setting on the final safety valve). And I assume I would only get the right measurement when trying to lift a load heavier than maximum rating?

- If I discover the pressure is reduced, where would I find a place to adjust it and set it right?

- Would this in any way indicate a failing pump? I started thinking about that when I could barely turn my front wheels with the eight bags of concrete in the loader.


Are these problems really problems? Am I expecting too much? Anybody else have these issues? Are there solutions? Should I worry? Should I get a bigger tractor?

Thanks for any insights, suggestions, solutions, and any other help!
Dan.
 
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What RPM are you running the engine at when using the attachments?
 
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Hi!

When running the backhoe the engine is either at idle or maybe 100-200 RPM above idle. It doesn't seem to dig any better with higher RPMs, but the boom gets harder to control (more and more out of sync with the other movements) with higher RPMs.

With the loader I am usually controlling RPMs with my foot, so they may get pretty high if I'm digging something. When trying to lift the concrete I was fairly deep into it - maybe 1200-1500 or so? I tried running up the RPMs to get the load up fairly high - it wiggled a little, but still no go.
 
   / Mahindra Max28XL, BH Pressure, FEL Pressure... #5  
Hi!

When running the backhoe the engine is either at idle or maybe 100-200 RPM above idle. It doesn't seem to dig any better with higher RPMs, but the boom gets harder to control (more and more out of sync with the other movements) with higher RPMs.

You aren't going to get anything out of the attachments that are ran hydraulically without hydraulic pressure and at idle, you aren't getting much.
You pretty much need to be at PTO speed, on my emax25, that's 3000 rpm on the engine for serious backhoe work, i can get away with 2500 or so on the front end loader.
Trying to do that kind of work at low RPM is just going to create overheating problems.

As far as the controls go, that just takes finesse, which you will only get with practice.
 
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Not sure about mahindra but with most of these small tractors they use a fixed displacement pump. So the pressure is always the same no matter what the rpm is. So revving it up only adds flow for faster speed but not any more power. Which sounds like what you are describing. I would do a pressure test to see where it's at. I fabbed a kubota bt600 (smallest backhoe kubota has) onto my john deere. I run it a couple hundred rpm over idle. Seems ludicrous to me that you would have to run your engine at pto speed to run the backhoe.
 
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You aren't going to get anything out of the attachments that are ran hydraulically without hydraulic pressure and at idle, you aren't getting much.
You pretty much need to be at PTO speed, on my emax25, that's 3000 rpm on the engine for serious backhoe work, i can get away with 2500 or so on the front end loader.
Trying to do that kind of work at low RPM is just going to create overheating problems.

As far as the controls go, that just takes finesse, which you will only get with practice.

I have a Max 26XL with back hoe. I can say it works best at 2k rpm, and it digs very well. I have dug lots of stumps, and picked logs with the thumb, no issues. I agree, finesse is just time on the controls. I have never checked actual weight for the FEL, but I can tell you it picks up more than my friends B7800 Kubota, which has 4 more HP. But his machine is older by a few years.
 
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Not sure about mahindra but with most of these small tractors they use a fixed displacement pump.

I'm guessing the Mahindra doesn't then, the manual clearly says in the troubleshooting section "Hydraulics not lifting -> RPM to low, raise engine RPM"
 
   / Mahindra Max28XL, BH Pressure, FEL Pressure... #9  
I have a Max 26XL with back hoe. I can say it works best at 2k rpm, and it digs very well. I have dug lots of stumps, and picked logs with the thumb, no issues. I agree, finesse is just time on the controls. I have never checked actual weight for the FEL, but I can tell you it picks up more than my friends B7800 Kubota, which has 4 more HP. But his machine is older by a few years.

I've picked up some heavy stuff as well, including the tractor itself with the BH bucket, a FULL bucket of wet dirt with the FEL as well as the back end of a small car and the tongue of a severely overloaded trailer. Any more power and the tractor would need to be much, much heavier just to balance the load.
 
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Re: Mahindra Max28XL: Weak backhoe, weak loader, low pressure?

Hi:

I have the same tractor and similar problems. Now, I really like this tractor for the most part - it's the right size for my place, is very maneuverable, carries pretty much what I need it to, and runs forever on a tank of fuel. It is my first tractor and has had no mechanical problems until now (a stabilizer cylinder seal started leaking after more than three years of use - a fairly easy fix, I imagine).

However, I have some problems similar to yours:

(1) The backhoe is pretty weak. Nearly all the digging power comes from the bucket (as it should be, I believe), but the dipper has very little power and the boom is even worse. There is no way I can move anything other than maybe packing peanuts with the boom - up and down or sideways. Further, I can't drag the bucket through anything using the dipper unless I am very actively working the bucket. And although this thing isn't a crane, I tried to lift a Chevy 4.3 engine (minus a lot of its parts - maybe 300 pounds?) - no way - the most it did was slide the engine stand.

(2) The loader control is fairly decent, except that the motion to dump the bucket is much longer than the motion required to curl - it stops dumping halfway and I have to push it to its stop to get it to go over the rest of the way. I can completely curl the bucket with any amount of movement of the control - it just goes faster if I pull it in more. HOWEVER, the backhoe controls are weird. The movements of the bucket, dipper, and boom swing are fairly consistent with their controls and with each other, but the boom 'up and down' is WAY out of proportion. If I move any of the other three controls, say, two inches, I better not move the boom control more than a quarter of an inch - it doesn't even feel like the valve is fully open. If it is moved more than that, the boom will fly straight up in the air (or hit the ground) with all kinds of clanking as the thing crashes into its stops. Obviously dirt goes everywhere. It's like the valve for boom up and down is made for something else. Very annoying. You have to learn a strange technique to be smooth with this thing.

(3) I just discovered this a couple of days ago, and I signed up for this forum so I could ask about it: Although my loader is rated to lift 1402 pounds, it simply won't. I put twelve 80 pound bags of concrete in the bucket, and it just sat there - no lift. I curled the bucket all the way (since the lift is rated at the pins) and again nothing. That was 960 pounds, a far cry from the 1402 pound rating. I took one layer of bags off and moved my concrete 640 pounds at a time. (And the power steering would NOT turn the wheels unless I was moving.)


I know my pump is supposed to put out 2000 psi. I have read (maybe on this forum?) that people have bought these tractors and discovered that pressure was 1800 psi or even less. So I am wondering:

- Where do I plug in a gauge to discover my working pressure (I get the impression that it is actually much less than the setting on the final safety valve). And I assume I would only get the right measurement when trying to lift a load heavier than maximum rating?

- If I discover the pressure is reduced, where would I find a place to adjust it and set it right?

- Would this in any way indicate a failing pump? I started thinking about that when I could barely turn my front wheels with the eight bags of concrete in the loader.


Are these problems really problems? Am I expecting too much? Anybody else have these issues? Are there solutions? Should I worry? Should I get a bigger tractor?

Thanks for any insights, suggestions, solutions, and any other help!
Dan.
See:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...loader-curl-possible-solution.html?highlight=
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...-max28xll-98-lb-weakling-main.html?highlight=

I don't know if BH has a separate relief.

The control valves are not the smoothest to operate. I got used to it.
With Hydraulic set correct, the loader lift capacity and 3 Pt capacity of a Max 28 is similar to many larger tractors.
The BH is not especially strong. It is only a 6-1/2 ft hoe.
BH should be able to pick up back of machine, but don't expect it to be an excavator.
 

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