Maschio Margherita 380 and Mahindra 2638

   / Maschio Margherita 380 and Mahindra 2638 #1  

Latimer1776

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I'm looking to buy a used boom flail mower I located. It is a Maschio Margherita (Evo) 380 and I have a Mahindra 2638 HST.

I've researched the manufacturer website and looked at some dealer websites (information doesn't always match). While I will have to go make sure I have everything for hooking up a Cat 2 behind me, is there any reason that this setup wouldn't work, based on the specs?

I know I'll have to figure out weight and tipping, but I'm more concerned about compatibility since I've had so much trouble finding something to fit my tractor.
 
   / Maschio Margherita 380 and Mahindra 2638 #2  
Hello Latimeer1776,

Did you look at the MASCHIO web page for the mower to see its dimensions when it is fully extended and elevated
in the vertical position and fully extended and lowered along the ditch line at its maximum down angle below horizontal?
You will need to have the new PTO shaft cut to the correct length as well if it is not supplied with the mower.

You have a category 1 hitch and that will not work, the 63 inch width dimension is measured from the outside of the left rear tire
to the opposite rear tire outside width. it has to measured from the center of the left rear wheel rim to the center of the right rear
wheel rim to match the mower.

You need to call the nearest Maschio Dealer and find out if your mule and the flail shredder will work with your rear hitch without
tipping using loaded dual rear tires after the tires are loaded and adding suitcase weights up front and cast wheel weights on the
rear wheels.

The use of a quick hitch of out of the question as it would affect the balance of the tractor and the over center control of the
side shifting boom arm and flail mower.

The absolute minimum weight for the mule needed is 3,527 pounds and the minimum rear wheel track center to center
dimensions is 4.92 feet. Your tractor with the r.o.p.s. is 3,130 pounds and it is too light in net weight to use this mower.

If you can add rear wheel weights, add liquid ballast and widen the rear wheels to the maximum width past 5 feet center to center great,
if not you will need dual wheels or wide Euro turf tires and wheels loaded with liquid ballast.
 

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   / Maschio Margherita 380 and Mahindra 2638
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Did you look at the MASCHIO web page for the mower to see its dimensions when it is fully extended and elevated
in the vertical position and fully extended and lowered along the ditch line at its maximum down angle below horizontal?
You will need to have the new PTO shaft cut to the correct length as well if it is not supplied with the mower.

Yes, I've looked through all the specs I can find on the Maschio website. There isn't much said about weight distribution, though through my searching I have learned how to test to ensure the tractor is balanced at full extension. From what I understand, however, there is no PTO shaft. The pump is connected directly to the PTO, as opposed to an offset flail/ditch mower which would require me to make those measurements.


You have a category 1 hitch and that will not work, the 63 inch width dimension is measured from the outside of the left rear tire
to the opposite rear tire outside width. it has to measured from the center of the left rear wheel rim to the center of the right rear
wheel rim to match the mower.
I have a category 1 hitch, but there are adapters. Regardless, the literature is vague as to whether it is a Category 1 or 2 attachment. I've seen 2 dealers listed it as a Cat 2, so I've been operating under that assumption.
Interesting not, however, is that the slightly smaller Rosa model may be a Cat 1, even though the literature reads the same as the Margherita. Tractor Time with Tim does a demo of this model and shows the measurements at 22 inches, rather than the 26 usually needed for Cat 1. So it may be a much shorter distance regardless, as Maschio seems to be making it ready for Cat 1 or Cat 2 to lift, though it removes the ability to quick hitch (which Tim bemoaned).



You need to call the nearest Maschio Dealer and find out if your mule and the flail shredder will work with your rear hitch without
tipping using loaded dual rear tires after the tires are loaded and adding suitcase weights up front and cast wheel weights on the
rear wheels.
It took me forever to find one, because they don't advertise as such and aren't listed on the Maschio website (unless I screwed up my search, there aren't any listed in America). I'm waiting for callbacks, which should hopefully clarify what they think about compatibility.

The absolute minimum weight for the mule needed is 3,527 pounds and the minimum rear wheel track center to center
dimensions is 4.92 feet. Your tractor with the r.o.p.s. is 3,130 pounds and it is too light in net weight to use this mower.
If you can add rear wheel weights, add liquid ballast and widen the rear wheels to the maximum width past 5 feet center to center great,
if not you will need dual wheels or wide Euro turf tires and wheels loaded with liquid ballast.
The low end base weight for the tractor is 3130, but the loader adds a health 1k pounds to that. Are tractor weight requirements for attachments typically excluding all other features outside the factory base weight of the tractor alone?
I was assuming I'd have to add tire weights, and perhaps suitcase weights to ensure I've met the requirement and then some. Liquid ballast isn't really an option at the moment, as I need removable weight for when I go offroad, if I don't want to be rutting up around my house.

I really appreciate the input and hopefully I can get some official answers from Maschio reps on some of the more technical things they aren't putting in the manuals. I may end up going down to the Rosa model, which is also available, but which I have seen in operation in the Tractortime video, as I can be sure that a similar sized mule can carry it.
 
   / Maschio Margherita 380 and Mahindra 2638 #4  
That's an accident waiting to happen behind your tractor. Those boom mowers are extremely dangerous even on a tractor that is of ample size. I know, I run one every year when it's ditchbank cutting time. Which is right now around here.
 
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That's an accident waiting to happen behind your tractor. Those boom mowers are extremely dangerous even on a tractor that is of ample size. I know, I run one every year when it's ditchbank cutting time. Which is right now around here.
Would you mind elaborating a bit? According to manufacturer's specs, the mower is built for this size tractor, though I am a bit on the lower end of the scale. Due to that we are actually considering the smaller model (the Rosa) to alleviate some of those issues, though we will obviously still have to ensure proper counterbalance, etc.
 
   / Maschio Margherita 380 and Mahindra 2638 #6  
First and most importantly, that's a CAT II implement. That's not just a category for hitch size. It carries weight and HP specs with it. That implement is for no smaller than a 40 HP tractor. That cutter will flip your tractor in a New York minute. Especially when the cutter head hooks some immovable object and you're still going forward. I've been running one of those things on a 130 HP tractor for years and they still startle me sometimes. I help a friend of mine this time of year that farms 5000 acres. I use a larger one of those to cut hedgerows, ditchbanks and trim around fields.
 
   / Maschio Margherita 380 and Mahindra 2638
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First and most importantly, that's a CAT II implement. That's not just a category for hitch size. It carries weight and HP specs with it. That implement is for no smaller than a 40 HP tractor.
So is the manufacturer lying then? Their website says 25hp. No one site can seem to agree on anything, which is why this is such a pain in the ass. The 2638 is 37 hp, so I have more breathing room on the minimum vs some of the other settings.
 

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   / Maschio Margherita 380 and Mahindra 2638 #8  
So is the manufacturer lying then? Their website says 25hp. No one site can seem to agree on anything, which is why this is such a pain in the ass. The 2638 is 37 hp, so I have more breathing room on the minimum vs some of the other settings.

No, they are not lying, many of the Maschio boom mounted flail mowers are mounted on a low profile heavy 4 wheel
drive tool carrier that has 3 point hitch systems with power take offs on the front and rear of the tool carrier.

Follow the manufacturers pages that I provided for you as they are the current 2023 information sheets and contact
Maschio directly by e-mail to verify everything and that the ROSA will operate correctly for you.
 
   / Maschio Margherita 380 and Mahindra 2638
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#9  
No, they are not lying, many of the Maschio boom mounted flail mowers are mounted on a low profile heavy 4 wheel
drive tool carrier that has 3 point hitch systems with power take offs on the front and rear of the tool carrier.

Follow the manufacturers pages that I provided for you as they are the current 2023 information sheets and contact
Maschio directly by e-mail to verify everything and that the ROSA will operate correctly for you.
Thank you, for both your posts. I'll email Maschio and see what their recommended settings are (vs just minimum) for the Rosa. I'd rather not operate in a risky manner with my level of expertise.
 
   / Maschio Margherita 380 and Mahindra 2638 #10  
You are most welcome, please feel free to send any questions a long via a private message if you are not
sure about an issue with your mule or the MASCHIO boom mounted mowers.

Having lived through a tip over I am always worried about my friends with boom mounted flail crop shredders
and extendable boom mounted flail mowers.
 
 

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