Massey Ferguson 2860M vs JD 4066R

   / Massey Ferguson 2860M vs JD 4066R #11  
Around here (SE Alabama) the pricing between the traditional brands were close with no clear winner though the Deere was slightly more(it has a few more small features though..)

Branson and Kioti were about $10k cheaper but I knew I would’ve been wanting to upgrade to the features of the Massey if I bought either of those.

If I had never seen the Massey I would’ve likely bought the Branson or Kioti.
Realizing this post is from a few months ago, I'm curious what features the Massey has that the Kioti didn't. I have a Kubota MX5800 that I am selling (primary due to it's low loader capacity) and was looking to buy either a Kioti RX6620 or NX6010. I really like have an HST transmission for what I do, but really like the lift capacity of the RX. Kioti's in general seem to have the most bang for the buck and I have a good dealer within 30 minutes (and everything is 30 minutes from me so that is about as good as it gets).

I was doing some more looking around this morning and ran across the 2860M, but looking at the specs, I don't see any obvious feature advantage of the Massey. I am open minded and want to make an informed decision, so am honestly wanting to know if I have missed something in my reviews.
 
   / Massey Ferguson 2860M vs JD 4066R #12  
Some newer common rail turbocharged and intercooled tractor engines are often being run at over 35 HP/L continuous rating. This would give an engine with the displacement of the 4066's the potential for 10+ more HP than it is currently rated at. For example, Deere sells standalone versions of its tractor engines and provides the various maximum power levels the engines can make depending on duty cycle.

EWX 2.9L/3029H (2.9 L three cylinder, two valve heads, single fixed vane turbocharger, intercooled): 74 HP (25.5 HP/L) continuous full-load power rating with no intermittent ratings given. 75 HP is the cutoff where the EPA essentially requires urea (DEF/SCR) to meet emissions and Deere does not make a DEF/SCR version of this engine and thus limits its power to 74 HP.

PSS 4.5 L/4045C (4.5 L four cylinder, four valve heads, series turbocharged/intercooled): 140 HP (31.1 HP/L) continuous, 173 HP (38.4 HP/L) intermittent.

PSS 6.8 L/6068C (6.8 L six cylinder, four valve heads, series turbocharged/intercooled): 250 HP (36.8 HP/L) continuous, 300 HP (44.1 HP/L) intermittent.

PSS 9.0 L/6090C (9.0 L six cylinder, four valve heads, series turbocharged/intercooled): 325 HP (36.1 HP/L) continuous, 425 HP (47.2 HP/L) intermittent.

PSS 13.5 L/6135C (13.5 L six cylinder, four valve heads, series turbocharged/intercooled): 500 HP (37.3 HP/L) continuous, 601 HP (44.5 HP/L) intermittent.

PSS 13.6 L/6136C (13.6 L six cylinder, four valve heads, series turbocharged/intercooled): 585 HP (43.0 HP/L) continuous, 684 HP (50.3 HP/L) intermittent.


PTO horsepower is often underrated but it is difficult to say exactly what the losses should be unless the tractor is tested, particularly for a hydrostatic transmission unit. Generally tractors smaller than utility tractors do not get formal testing performed. The University of Nebraska tested the predecessor to the Deere 4066, the later 4720. It also had a 66 HP rated engine and a hydrostatic transmission, although it was Deere's 2.4 L skid loader engine (4024T) rather than a Yanmar engine. It was rated at 56 PTO HP and tested at 59 HP for an 11% loss. No hydrostatic Massey Ferguson or Iseki tractors have been tested by Nebraska.

A decent rule of thumb for a gear transmission is about an 8-10% loss at the PTO vs. flywheel. There doesn't seem to be a rule of thumb for hydrostatic transmissions other than it's more than a gear transmission due to hydrostatic pumping losses.

That was a mouthful
 
   / Massey Ferguson 2860M vs JD 4066R #13  
Realizing this post is from a few months ago, I'm curious what features the Massey has that the Kioti didn't. I have a Kubota MX5800 that I am selling (primary due to it's low loader capacity) and was looking to buy either a Kioti RX6620 or NX6010. I really like have an HST transmission for what I do, but really like the lift capacity of the RX. Kioti's in general seem to have the most bang for the buck and I have a good dealer within 30 minutes (and everything is 30 minutes from me so that is about as good as it gets).

I was doing some more looking around this morning and ran across the 2860M, but looking at the specs, I don't see any obvious feature advantage of the Massey. I am open minded and want to make an informed decision, so am honestly wanting to know if I have missed something in my reviews.

In the end the Massey got me with :

10yr warranty(extended for free, I’m military)

Air ride seat

Seat could move close enough for wife

Ingress/egress was easier than other tractors

Clean out screens for radiator

Struts on both doors(looking at you Deere)

Adjustable hst response and max speed

Good cruise control operation/ergos

Speedometer

Kioti and Branson were next in line and I may have ended up with one but they were also out of stock. I was also scared of continuing product support, especially with Branson as TYM bought Kukje who owns Branson.
 
   / Massey Ferguson 2860M vs JD 4066R #14  
Thanks for the response. I ended up ordering a new Kubota M7060 Cab. The MF dealer here didn't seem to be interested in selling me a tractor and decided the Kioti's were just a little rougher than I preferred. Was happy with my previous Kubota and am pretty confident I will be with the new one as well.
 
   / Massey Ferguson 2860M vs JD 4066R #15  
Thanks for the response. I ended up ordering a new Kubota M7060 Cab. The MF dealer here didn't seem to be interested in selling me a tractor and decided the Kioti's were just a little rougher than I preferred. Was happy with my previous Kubota and am pretty confident I will be with the new one as well.

I was impressed with the Kubotas overall but my wife and I disliked/couldn’t make peace the rocker style HST pedal.

We prefer separate pedals.
 
   / Massey Ferguson 2860M vs JD 4066R #16  
Once you get to the M's (other than the MX's) you move to Shuttle Shift. HST isn't even an option. I preferred two pedals as well, but never used the rocker with my heal. I always just put my toe under it and lifted. Never had a major issue with it.
 
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   / Massey Ferguson 2860M vs JD 4066R #17  
^^^^
That’s the only way to operate the treadle pedal…IMHO.

OP, good luck with the Massey, they’re an awesome tractor!

Mike
 

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