Mowing Mid-PTO RPM for Belly Mower for Solaris 35 Tractor

[Same35]

ptsg,

Thanks again for the information. My Solaris 35 is basically like new, with less than 200 hrs on it. Whoever had it only used it for light mowing and stored it indoors. The paint and bodywork is also like new.

You mentioned the New Hollands being similar. Looking at their TC35, it does look nearly identical to the newer model Solaris. That might offer me a route for parts should I need them. Meanwhile, I'll write to the Italian factory and see if I can connect up to them - not that the tractor needs anything.

Thanks again.

 

[ptsg]

The TC I believe is a US model, while the TCE is a European model. They seem to be quite different. For instance the TC is more like an open platform tractor, while the TCE is like your Solaris with the gearbox in the middle of your legs.

With 200 hours, that's definitely a new tractor. That's quite a popular tractor over here, either brands and both new style and old style, so they show up very regularly on ours advertisement websites and dealers. I quite often see on our "Craigslist" these tractors for sale with over 3000 hours and still looking in great shape. They are great machines.

It's too bad that Same or any other from the group, doesn't invest a little bit more on the US market. That being said, I just remember that Deutz is a bit more popular than Same in the US, so the Deutz Agrokid 35 is similar to the Same. Have you tried to source Deutz instead?

 

[CalG]

I have the Hurlimann version of your SAME. A Prince 435 SL&H. SAME-Hurlimann and Lamborghini. Look at the ID plate on yours, This one carries Ser No. H PRN 35T*2280

Whoever mentioned "made in Poland" is without knowledge. These are Italian made tractors. If they could all be Lamborghini the world would know them well ;-)

I'm in New England, and the tractor sees it's hardest work in winter. 'Never had any issues with too much heat. This Hurlimann is fitted with an Allied Loader. A very handy set up on small acreage.

I've not needed any replacement parts over the years. There are several Deutz dealers that all seem ready, willing and able to help with parts. I once got an "If you ever want to sell, I've got a waiting market" offer. A Great feeling when in possession of an "orphan". There is a place in Norcross Ga, and in Chambersburg PA that could be parts sources. I can't recall the names.

My nearest "dealer" is about 100 miles north, so the advent of the internet is a useful thing. Filters and common parts are available at the local FLAPS with the WIX brand.

There is a thread on this forum about an intermittent shutting off issue by an owner in the mid Atlantic area. I had that as well. The fuel cut off controller was bypassed to "fix" the issue. A simple pull rod to the fuel cut off lever is now fitted which is fine with me. Simple is good.

Regards the mid PTO?

Verified by the Operating and Maintenance handbook provided with this tractor, when the PTO selector is in the 1000 rpm position, the mid mounted , front PTO turns at 2000 rpm if the engine is at 1000 rpm pto speed (check your tachometer panel!)

Also:

There is a debris screen panel that slides out to the side just to the rear of the cooler (radiator). That MUST remain clear. With the loader frame, the panel on my tractor can not be removed. I hose out the cooler coils regularly when operation in dusty conditions is part of the day's work.

Just a comment: With locking diff both front and rear, these things climb like billy goats, and go almost anywhere. 'Carry a good load too.
Alas, they are not "heavy", and only can push or pull so much.

Enjoy! And "check the threads in the "Other Makes" forum. Do a search

Also , there is an Italian tractor interest forum that has a SL&H subforum. Not much action, better if you read Italiano. ;-)

 

[CalG]

interesting photo
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/all-other-brands/383030-avoid-confusion-about-sdf-sl.html

The NH tractors have Yanmar engines, so, not really the same tractor.

 

[Same35]

Thanks CalG for the help. I'm not feeling so much like an orphan anymore. I tried to find some Deutz dealers, but haven't had much luck so far. I will try to locate some of the ones you mentioned, although Deutz also seems to have fled the US market.

Regarding the fan and screen. I wonder if my Solaris had the modification that ptsg mentioned, in that the engine fan on mine pulls through the radiator and back towards the engine in the conventional way. However, I have the screen that you mentioned behind the radiator, where it does little good, so I assume someone changed the fan. The radiator itself is pristine. In front of the radiator there seems ample space for air to enter. There is an aluminum colored panel on the rear of the fuel tank. I changed the fan belt, changed the coolant and put in a new air filter, but haven't had the chance to run it much yet to see if it helped keep the engine temp more in the middle of the gauge.

I was somewhat surprised when I contacted Westorf that they had a quick detach loader available for this tractor. I will check with Allied as well. Now that I see how widely used they are outside the US and under different brand names, it is making sense. One thing I like is the price I paid for the tractor, only a few thousand and it is like new, so I can afford to spend more time on parts and accessories.

 

[Same35]

Just a follow up on this thread. First, just to let everyone know, Deutz-Fahr is back in the US bigtime! I finally called their Georgia office, and found that over the last year or two, they have already added over 70 dealers across the US. They connected me with a new dealer in central NY only an hour away. I called, and they had all the parts books for my Same Solaris 35. I can basically order any part that they still have in stock with no problems. So anyone with one of the Same (or Hurliman, etc.) tractors, the Deutz dealers are available and all around the US.

Now for the overheating issue. My tractor has had the fan changed at some point to pull air through the radiator, rather than push it. I ordered the original "push" type fan, since I thought I would go back to stock as a starting point. However, I forgot to order the spacer, so when I removed the fan the new one wouldn't go on properly. However, the one on the tractor was professionally done, with a machined aluminum space. It was a very heavy duty unit, and with only 200 hours on the tractor, I assumed it was done by a dealer. So I reinstalled it until I get the proper space. There is an open mesh metal safety screen around the fan, and it occurred to me that without a proper shroud it wouldn't pull much air through the radiator. So I used aluminum duct tape to tape over the mesh and create a shroud. Not the prettiest in the world, but effective.

With the improvised shroud and pull type fan, under heavy load (a 72" finish mower in heavy grass) it would run hot, but not overheat into the red. Then I did an experiment, and removed the side panels as posted above. Viola! No overheating! I am amazed, but the side panels really raised the engine temp. So as long as I leave the side panels off, it seems there is no overheating issue.

All this points to an inadequate radiator, since everything is running marginally and these small changes are enough to make it overheat or not. So at the end of the season, I am probably going to get the radiator recored with some extra capacity. There is about an inch of extra space I could use with a thicker core. I really like the tractor overall, so I don't mind fussing with it a bit and try to eliminate the root cause of the overheating.

It is odd to me though, how the tractor made it out of the design phase an into the real world with it obviously overheating in stock condition. Surely somebody at Same noticed it would overheat under heavy usage and that removing the side panels would help.

 

[ptsg]

That's some really nice news!

Thanks for the update. I'm glad you managed to find some support to your tractor.

The remove the side panels solution is more like a farmer fix in my opinion. But it gets the job done though. Seems like they didn't add anywhere for the hot air to escape with the side panels on.

On a local forum, someone mentioned that these tractors were designed for cold climates. Which may or may not make sense. I suppose the push type fan would help getting the engine warmer. On the other hand, the Italians don't get that cold weather.

EDIT: I keep forgetting about MF. But the MF 1335 is also the same tractor as yours.

 

[Same35]

ptsg,

Thanks for the response. Same must be one busy little company, with their tractors under so many different brand names. Thanks for the information re. the MF 1335. Looking on tractordata, it is indeed the identical same tractor as the Same Solaris 35.

As I am thinking about upsizing the radiator, it occurred to me that Same offered the Solaris 45, which appears to be the identical same Mitsubishi 1.5 L engine but with a turbocharger and 45 hp. They must have put a larger radiator into the 45. So I am wondering if I look around for a 45 radiator, it should be higher capacity but still physically fit into the chassis and engine bay. Have you ever heard of anyone doing this?

Knowing about these other models of the same tractor gives me more places to look for parts.