Mufflers and tractor exhaust help

[massey184ferguson]

My muffler and exhaust stack on my massey 184-4 recently kicked the bucket. It is at the point where it is corroded so thin I may as well start over. There's no turbo so I cannot have a straight pipe and I can't run it with nothing on it for back pressure reasons. My question is if I don't get a factory part (which I doubt I will) how and where do I go to get exhaust parts. Does it matter what kind of muffler? Do I need the exact same size of pipe? I realize I do not know much about tractor exhaust but have done some exhaust welding on cars etc so any tips will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

 

[5030]

Go to a Midas muffler shop and have them bend you up some pipe and add an aftermarket muffler fom TSC.

 

[George2615]

If you know the pipe size check your local TSC store. My local store has several different universal mufflers and pipes in stock for different tractors.

 

[Wolfy]

If what you had seems stock, I would try to copy it.

 

[Texasmark]

Go to a Midas muffler shop and have them bend you up some pipe and add an aftermarket muffler fom TSC.

Right answer. I had a shop install a pipe on my 2000 that went out the front (existing muffler) made a bend, went down and under the tractor out to the rear axle and a little bend down. Cost: $30 and it was aluminized pipe. I just loaded the tractor on my trailer and took it to the muffler shop. No problem.

On mufflers get the designed for your tractor from TSC. If they don't have it, go to their online site and order it. I tried to use a MF on my Ford 3000 because they didn't have a Ford in the store and it didn't work initially. Looking thru the inlet or exhaust pipes, you couldn't see all the way through it. This meant to me that the MF was designed for more back pressure than the Ford and the Ford wouldn't run with back pressure. So I knocked out the baffles where I could see through it and the Ford ran ok course it was noisy as ...... Later on I bent it, had to replace it, and was able to get a Ford. On that new muffler I could see through it. Apparently as you say MF needs back pressure and Ford will not run with it.

Mark

 

[massey184ferguson]

Thanks guys I'm going to check the tractor supply

 

[EddieWalker]

I don't know what brands or the quality of the mufflers available at Tractor Supply, but overall I've found that what they sell is sort of like Walmart quality. Cheap, but not what lasts. If you are going to the muffler shop to get the pipe bent, get a good quality muffler from them too. They can either weld it on to the pipe for you, or you can get them to crimp the end of the pipe so you can slide a muffler on it and clamp it in place.

Is your muffler facing up so rain gets into it? If so, be sure to get a pipe for the end of it that has a bend in it to keep out rain and send the exhaust gas away from you.

The muffler for my backhoe is $800. It rusted out at where rain got into it. Instead of buying a new muffler, I had a welding shop cut out the rust and weld on a new pipe for $60

The muffler for my dozer is over a grand. I took it off and brought it to a muffler shop. They copied it and put on a muffler for a semi that made it almost quiet enough that you don't need ear plugs for $150. In my opinion, it's better then what came on it from the factory.

Eddie

 

[dieselcrawler]

There's no turbo so I cannot have a straight pipe and I can't run it with nothing on it for back pressure reasons. /QUOTE]

First off... I am not knowledgeable about the 184-4 specifically, but have mess with gas and diesel motors, and 2 and 4 stroke motors.

Why do need back pressure? Unless its a 2 stroke (I doubt it *grin*) it shouldn't matter if you straight pipe it or put any one of the readily available universal mufflers in the system. Sure, you want to have a reasonable lenth of pipe from the manifold to the tip, but as far as I know, the more open and free flowing (least back pressure) the better. First thing I do to my powerstroke trucks is a better air cleaner (more CFM in) the next to replace the stock muffler with straight pipe (more CFM out). Granted, powerstrokes are turbo'd but even my ol' N/A 6.2's ran better straight piped. Diesel motors are basicly air pumps... air in, air out. Little bit of smoke and fire in the middle.

Find some pipe and muffler that fit and flow, make it fit and go....

 

[jaotguy]

please folks . look up dual clamp ( and other trade names for it ) ... looks like a split tin can with 2 gear clamps built in the ends ...

your two pipes stay the same size, no swedging of pipes to get a fit , no saddle clamps ... just put the clamp between the 2 pipes and tighten till every thing is snug and tight .... 5 years from now , undo the clamps and wiggle the pipes a bit and they come apart easily , no matter how much rust . VW and a lot of cars use them to hold their exhausts together....

also toss a small glob of cheap grease in the first pipe closest to the engine exhaust port ... ( DO NOT use this trick if you have CAT in the exhaust)
the grease melts when you fire the beast up , and coats the inside of the exhaust pipes to protect against the acids produced when running ....
a bit of smoke at first , but it clears in 5 minutes ....

 

[mongobird]

This is a relevant thread for me. My Ford 1510 factory muffler was GREAT! Quiet. When I had to replace it I paid about $350 for everything. Then it got welded to patch it up, then the guy welding it lost it on the second weld five years later. I bought the TSC "Stanley" muffler. Junk. It looks like a muffler, but it's not quiet. Then I bought one off ebay claiming to be an OEM replacement. It was another "Stanley." They might make good mufflers, but not for my equipment. It is not dimensioned properly, and it certainly does no muffle well.

So I am trying to figure out how I will determine the correct resonator dimensions to get max muffling at PTO RPMs.

I have a friend who runs a ceramic / teflon / powder coat business, and he says he can ceramic coat one for me if I wish.

At this point, I would like a higher quality of muffler for less than the OEM price, and either a stainless, or a steel that I can ceramic paint, as the unit is kept outdoors.

Gassers may have better luck with TSC, but the operation of their brand muffler on a small, non-turbo'd diesel is at best, very loud.