Front-End Loader Need help adjusting FEL bucket on new Kioti!

   / Need help adjusting FEL bucket on new Kioti! #1  

generalbegg

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Kioti CS2410
Hey all,

I just picked up my first tractor yesterday and I'm pretty excited to put this thing to work! I got a real sweet deal on a Kioti CS2410 with FEL. I spend about 2 hours at the dealership going through all of the operation and maintenance items and took it for a spin around the lot. After towing it 70 miles home and giving it a much closer once over in the safety of my garage, I noticed that one side of my bucket sat about 1/2 higher than the other side. I started by checking some simple items like air pressure in the tires, and measurements from from my floor to the pivot pins and everything seemed to check out. When I step on the corner of my bucket that is sitting higher, I can see my loader and tractor moving to compensate for the difference seen in the picture. I then though I could loosen the 4 bolts on the loader frame(shown in the yellow circle and red arrow) and use my floor jack to lift the low side of the loader to compensate for the high side of the bucket. I loosened them up and put the jack to it. It moved, but it moved the whole tractor, not just the mount.

Soooo....long story short I have a few questions. Should I even be worried about this? I am planning on putting a Piranha Tooth Bar on and doing some digging in the spring for an above ground pool, and to dig out a foundation for a patio. Will this cause me to have issues? Would this bother anyone else? If I should try and fix it, what else should I try to level it out? I'll give my dealer a call in the morning to see if they have any input, but as helpful as this forum has been so for I thought I would throw it out there. My closest dealer is 70 miles away so I don't really want to load it up and drive it back if I don't have too.

Any input on this matter would be greatly appreciated!
 

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   / Need help adjusting FEL bucket on new Kioti! #2  
Have you put a spirit level on the cutting edge to check if it is the loader or the floor?
 
   / Need help adjusting FEL bucket on new Kioti!
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Have you put a spirit level on the cutting edge to check if it is the loader or the floor?

I just went out and put the level to it vs the floor. I certainly looks like the loader.

high side.jpglow side.jpgIMG_20150225_211209784.jpg
 
   / Need help adjusting FEL bucket on new Kioti! #4  
Looks to me as though the bucket itself is bent.
 
   / Need help adjusting FEL bucket on new Kioti! #5  
The following is rarely accepted well.

If the left side of the bucket is high, then hook that corner under something heavier than the FEL can lift and try to lift it. If the right sider of the bucket is high, then hook that corner under something heavier than the FEL can lift and try to lift it. I believe you will find that the "crookedness" of your FEL will change. As it will continue to change the rest of it's life.
 
   / Need help adjusting FEL bucket on new Kioti!
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The following is rarely accepted well.

If the left side of the bucket is high, then hook that corner under something heavier than the FEL can lift and try to lift it. If the right sider of the bucket is high, then hook that corner under something heavier than the FEL can lift and try to lift it. I believe you will find that the "crookedness" of your FEL will change. As it will continue to change the rest of it's life.

I was wondering if this would be proposed as a solution as I read this on another forum as a solution. It seems a little odd to me, and I am worried about potentially doing some real damage to my machine. At the end of the day being a very inexperienced tractor operator should I even concern myself with 7/16" gap? Part of me says that I just spent good money on this and I want it to be perfect, but on the other hand it's tractor and it will hardly stay perfect for long.
 
   / Need help adjusting FEL bucket on new Kioti! #7  
I was wondering if this would be proposed as a solution as I read this on another forum as a solution. It seems a little odd to me, and I am worried about potentially doing some real damage to my machine. At the end of the day being a very inexperienced tractor operator should I even concern myself with 7/16" gap? Part of me says that I just spent good money on this and I want it to be perfect, but on the other hand it's tractor and it will hardly stay perfect for long.

Yes, this.. You can straighten it like overszd says. I have done just that very thing, But sooner or later you will "spring" it a little bit one way or the other again.. Yours is not out very much. Hook it under something you can't move and straighten it, but I wouldn't put a lot of worry into it. Easy for me to say, when it is not my shiny new machine.. Yep. I know you don't want to hear this either, but sometimes when your bucket is sprung just a bit, it makes it easier to do fine surface grading.. For example you are spreading gravel to top off over larger rock, if your one side is just a bit lower than the other, you can set your height to just spread the gravel and watch that height as you creep forward without worrying about the other edge digging in as you cannot keep an eye on it because you are watching just one side. I know this sounds stupid, but it really works. Do as you will, but I wouldn't worry about it.
 
   / Need help adjusting FEL bucket on new Kioti! #8  
Oh, I forgot to mention, there is no way you are going to damage the machine by hooking on to something that wont move and lifting slowly and carefully.. Now don't ram into something, but just lifting something larger than the tractor can lift will just open the relief valve.. Of course if you constantly lift just on one side, you can possibly "spring" it a bit, which is the idea here. Of course you are always going to do that throughout its lifetime to some small extent.
 
   / Need help adjusting FEL bucket on new Kioti! #9  
Before you go trying to bend this into shape, check to see if the loader arms are symmetric -- measuring the same point on each loader arm, are their height's the same or are they off too? If the arms are OK but just the bucket (or bucket cutting edge) is out of whack, it's probably just welding error in the bucket and that's somewhat minor but easily fixable (you can get the dealer to swap out the bucket if it's a real problem).

The adjustment procedure you used before was a bit flawed -- you really should loosen both sides if you want to see if you can fix this via loader frame alignment. Who is to say one side is low or the other side is high? In reality, one or both of the sides is off, and you need to loosen them both to settle any potential differences in the mounting.

Normal procedure when attaching a front loader at dealer is to put down pressure on the bucket on a known flat level floor, and then tighten up the bolts. So you might want to try loosening up all the bolts and then see if that settles it out. Put a little light down pressure if needed. Then torque everything to proper specs.
 
   / Need help adjusting FEL bucket on new Kioti! #10  
By the way, if I am seeing your level pictures right, one side of the bucket is level and the other side is not. The only way that could happen is if the bucket itself is bent or warped (i.e. if it was straight, the level would read the same on both sides, level or not). Try putting a straight edge on the bucket and see if it's bent or warped.

If welding wasn't done right when putting the bucket cutting edge on, it can warp the bucket bottom a little and explain what you're seeing.
 
 

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