Need pro's and con's on the LX410 and the LX4100

[bsinhc50]

I'm looking at upgrading from my EX3200 to either a LX410 or LX4100 but can't decide on which one to get. I like the HST on the 4100 being my 3200 has it, but the shuttle shift on the 410 interests me. So, I figured I'd see if there's any pro's or con's on either model, that I haven't considered. Also, to those of you who own one, was the transmission a major factor or just a personal preference?

Thanks for any and all replies.

 

[Raised on a Deere]

Transmission was a major factor for me. Power revered is very nice. No clutching. With foot feed and power reverser you can do some pretty good acrobatics not with the finesse of hydrostatic but then when you hit the field bush hogging pulling ground implements, up and down grades the constant speed of gears just can't be beat. Especially at the higher speeds. It really depends on what you are using it for. I do a bit of everything. If I was just doing stuff around the house and barn I would want the hydrostatic. But once you hit the field all day you will change your mind I do believe. Some of the newerhydrostats have electronic controls that will maintain a true constant speed but the mechanical cruise controls as they are sometimes called let the speed vary a significantly as the load changes as you make turns. Go down grade then up etc. you for and mind will get tired of maintaining speed in a long day situation. My food for thought. You just have to really think about what you willbe using it for.

 

[bsinhc50]

Transmission was a major factor for me. Power revered is very nice. No clutching. With foot feed and power reverser you can do some pretty good acrobatics not with the finesse of hydrostatic but then when you hit the field bush hogging pulling ground implements, up and down grades the constant speed of gears just can't be beat. Especially at the higher speeds. It really depends on what you are using it for. I do a bit of everything. If I was just doing stuff around the house and barn I would want the hydrostatic. But once you hit the field all day you will change your mind I do believe. Some of the newerhydrostats have electronic controls that will maintain a true constant speed but the mechanical cruise controls as they are sometimes called let the speed vary a significantly as the load changes as you make turns. Go down grade then up etc. you for and mind will get tired of maintaining speed in a long day situation. My food for thought. You just have to really think about what you willbe using it for.

I know what you're talking about in regards to mowing and getting tired maintaining speed. I mow about 15 acres of our 50 acre farm and there's been times my foot would like to take a break. I tried using the speed control but it really doesn't help that much. That's why I'm considering the shuttle shift model over the hydro. Plus, according to some prices I got, I can get a 450 for what I'd pay for the 4100 so I'd be getting more for my money.

Thanks for your reply, it is appreciated.

 

[Raised on a Deere]

Just remember shuttle shift requires coordination of clutching and shifting whereas power reverser requires no clutching. The tractor undergoes a smooth transition from forward to reverse and back. No false jerks when you lost coordination. You can really get with it. I drove a shuttle shift for a year before knowing about power reverser. I was looking for a hydrostatic smaller than the my Branson when I ran upon the Yanmar. The power reverser hit the spot instantly. Did a few things with it and started talking deal. I have about 200 hours on it now and I am even more impressed.

 

[bsinhc50]

I think the dealer called it synchro shift or something like that and said it was similar to a shuttle shift so the shuttle stuck with me. You're right, the power reverser makes it much different than a regular shuttle shift and easier to use. Before I bought the ex3200, I drove a lx450 but the dealer talked me out of buying it saying he felt the hydro was the way to go. So, being they didn't have hydro in that model I got the smaller ex3200.

 

[NHSawyer]

I like the shuttle shift to me it came down to not having to put my foot on a pedal all the time. The only drawback I see is when backing up to an attachment you don't quite have the same control. To me that is a small price to pay for not having your foot tied to a pedal.

 

[Raised on a Deere]

Once I caught on that the clutch was not actuated with a direct connection to the clutch pedal I found it easier to control fine movement such as when hooking up to implements etc. the clutch is controlled through a hydraulic servo that will not keep up with pedal movement if you move too quickly. As I am wanting to ease back a bit more to hook up to an implement I move the pedal out a bit slower through the part of its travel prior to the engaging point so the servo keeps up. Then the fine control is there. The servo lag is what confuses us. I thought perhaps this was going to become a pain in the but bet it just becomes natural as you continue to get seat time.

I put two and two together one day when I wanted to park the tractor by just leaving it in gear. After turning the engine off about 5 seconds later the tractor started to roll down the slope. Turns out the clutch disengages when hydraulic pressure bleeds down. Have to use the parking brake always.

The clutch pedal does nothing without hydraulic pressure. Learn how to cooperate with the hydraulics and be blessed.

 

[TnAndy]

I put two and two together one day when I wanted to park the tractor by just leaving it in gear. After turning the engine off about 5 seconds later the tractor started to roll down the slope. Turns out the clutch disengages when hydraulic pressure bleeds down. Have to use the parking brake always.

The clutch pedal does nothing without hydraulic pressure. Learn how to cooperate with the hydraulics and be blessed.

Yep.

See my rant of the fool parking brake....or 'break' as it may be....ahahahaaaaaa


http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/yanmar-new/333147-some-things-about-new-yanmars.html

 

[Raised on a Deere]

I was thinking of posting on that rant. I always release the parking brake by putting foot on brake and depressing it hard enough that the release lever could be released with my little finger. No stress on the lever that way and it will probably out last the tractor that way. And it is easy that way.I agree on the rubber knob. It fell apart just from sun and light use.

 

[TnAndy]

Yeah, you can release it that way.....unless you've REALLY set the brake hard, and it won't go down any more to the next notch in the brake pawl so you can hand release the lever. That's what often happens to me.....not the 'setting the brake on a slight slope'.....the 'setting the brake on a STEEP slope'. I work on steep slopes and winching logs out of the mountains. The brake HAS be be way tight.