Need some implement recommendations

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Need a bushhog for a 36HP 27(PTO) tractor, a grapple and also a finish mower. I'll likely buy the bush hog and grapple first for a timber farm and use it to keep the grass down until I can afford a finish mower.

What do I need to look for quality wise and value wise? I know the Woods stuff is top notch but really don't know how to tell high quality from not other than judging by sheet metal thickness.
 
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I just purchased a Bush Hog BH215 (5') after lots of research. I needed to be able to cut 2" dia. brush. The short list came down to Woods BB6030, BH215 or a Rhino TW25. They all seemed to have different pros and cons on the spec sheets. The BH215 was available local and had slip clutch and front AND rear chains and was about 250-350 less than the BB6030 and TW25.

The best grapple out there is EverythingAttachments.com wicked series. Wicked 55 would probably be best size for your tractor, however, they are not the least expensive initially to purchase.
 
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Thanks. Look forward to getting some other replies. I do have another question to go along with this. I watched a video last night of a flail mower and it seemed to be able to cut the grass pretty low and do a great job on heavy brush. It seems safer and easier to operate than a rotary mower. What am I missing?
 
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Need a bushhog for a 36HP 27(PTO) tractor, a grapple and also a finish mower. I'll likely buy the bush hog and grapple first for a timber farm.

What do I need to look for quality wise and value wise?

With 27 PTO horsepower you can adequately power a 5' wide Rotary Cutter.

My Kubota L3560/HST+ has 28 PTO horsepower. I do a lot of trail maintenance in a 172 acre residential development, which approximates timber farm use in Florida and probably coastal South Carolina.

Implement weight is always a good place to start. A five foot wide medium duty Rotary Cutter, nominally rated for 2" cut, weighs around 600 pounds and usually has a Category 3 drive line.

A five foot wide heavy duty "right-of-way" Rotary Cutter, nominally rated for 3" cut, weighs around 1,000 pounds and has a Category 4 drive line.

I have owned both. The medium duty model could not take it. Required $600+ shop work each year. Sold it.

I recommend a heavy duty Rotary Cutter as your cheapest option in the long run. I have had no maintenance issues with the heavy duty model in three years operation. I use a chainsaw for 3" stuff, but I mow 2" hard woods all the time.

I have owned Land Pride. Woods and Bush Hog (brand) are also good. Look for Category 4 drive line. Expect to pay $3,500 pre-tax for a 5' heavy duty Rotary Cutter with chain guards front and rear.
(Many Rotary Cutter components are produced in Asia though none tell you so. So, do not get too crazed on "brand".)

You will absolutely want optional chain guards front and rear.

T-B-N ARCHIVE: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/412398-bush-hog-size-l3560.html
 
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Cool This tractor is a 2021 1835MH. 36 hp motor but rated 27 hp at the PTO.
 
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Thanks. Look forward to getting some other replies. I do have another question to go along with this. I watched a video last night of a flail mower and it seemed to be able to cut the grass pretty low and do a great job on heavy brush. It seems safer and easier to operate than a rotary mower. What am I missing?

To try to address each point you have raised
1) quality of a brush cutter involves many many factors. Thickness of steel being 1 measure, but all steel is not equal either, so that you can have a thinner high quality steel that will dent and deteriorate slower than some thicker steels. This will typically be included in their spec sheets if higher quality steel is used. If the steel only spec is a thickness (ga or fraction of inches) it is probably not a higher quality. This matters in how you use it.
The gearbox will be rated in several ways. One is hp rating. Do not buy one where your tractor hp is at the top of its rating range. Then you will have a rating as to what they will cut (2” material) check out this rating closely. Know how you plan to use the cutter and look for one that exceeds those conditions. These can throw objects with great force, if buildings where windows, siding or other parts could be damaged, be sure the mower has heavy, closely spaced chains in place. Some have these ‘deflectors’ front and rear (usually these are higher quality units). Assuming you are looking at known brands, price is an indicator or the quality. Some brands have a lower quality unit—steel grade, steel thickness, material it will cut and others conditions will be lowered. That does not make them bad but may make them inappropriate for some uses. (Example, horses prefer to eat shorter grasses, but your pasture may not have trees growing in it and you may have it clear of rocks and other objects—a lowered ability cutter may meet those needs saving funds)

Now let me jump to fail mowers. They are a different approach. They turn more like a tiller than a traditional mower, as such, they are less likely to throw objects. The same unit can be set up (some work involved) to act as a finish mower or a brush mower. They use knifes and hammers for this difference of cut. Again this is an involved process and not one you will want to do on a frequent basis. Just as some folks mow yards with brush cutters, you may find the cut acceptable with the hammers for your yard (most don’t however). Many of the above comments apply as they share common things (steel, gearboxes, and others)
The biggie for most people is cost.

Grapple, I have never pursued hard the purchase. My bucket is pin on and no 3rd function hydraulics. I would love to have one—maybe one day!
But lots of the above applies—big one is steel quality. Other considerations—weight, every pound of weight of the grapple is a pound of material you can not lift (this really goes to quality and strength of the steel).
Lids, I have never heard anyone complain about a 2 lid grapple function, but lots of folks wishing their single lid was a 2 lid due to material not being consistent on both sides.
Style of grapple—try to determine your plan usage and get the style that best matches that.
Hydraulics—is a diverter valve 3rd function something you can function with or do you want a 3rd valve to function independent of the other loader functions (usually curl/dump on a diverter are affected). Do you want an independent valve to function with a 3rd lever, or a flip switch (usually includes a electrically switched valve using solenoids).

In short lots of research for you prior to purchase of any single item. An informed shopper/buyer is one who while he may spend more initially, invest that money better long term. I will always content that buying 1 implement that meets your needs and baring the change of needs, serves one well for 10-15-20 years (not unheard of for home owner use) instead of buying an implement that in 5 years needs to be replaced.
 
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I watched a video of a flail mower last night. It seemed able to cut the grass pretty low and do a great job on heavy brush. It seems safer and easier to operate than a rotary mower. What am I missing?
A 5' Rotary Cutter has two (2) swinging blades formed from flat steel. Cheap to make, relatively easy to sharpen if desired, relatively cheap to replace.

A 5' Flail has 300 (?) complexly shaped cutting blocks.




What is a flail mower? Never heard of a flail til perusing the pages of TBN.

(Esteemed) Farmwithjunk reply - 8/22/2011

"A flail mower is what you use to make your mowing job take longer, use more fuel to get less done, and keep the parts man and mechanics busy, all the while emptying your wallet at an incredible pace."



Flails are for mowing where people may be encountered. A Rotary Cutter is the better choice for tree farm use.
 
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There are differences for which each is best for.

[video]https://orecamerica.com/brushcutter/[/video]

Article is about walk behinds but the same principles should apply for tractor mounted ones.
 
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As to the grapple, for long term use and many hours a week of operation, I would get the Everything Attachments grapple. I have never seen a poor report on them. I am a hobby user with only 20 acres to care for, but I process about 8 cords of logs a year for firewood, I bought an inexpensive MTL for $1000 and have been very pleased with it. But I may not know any better...LOL.
 
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Need a bushhog for a 36HP 27(PTO) tractor, a grapple and also a finish mower. I'll likely buy the bush hog and grapple first for a timber farm and use it to keep the grass down until I can afford a finish mower.

What do I need to look for quality wise and value wise? I know the Woods stuff is top notch but really don't know how to tell high quality from not other than judging by sheet metal thickness.

Use this to determine which style grapple you need: The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!! - Page 81

And the new thread: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/393132-wicked-grapple-guide.html?highlight=
 
 

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