Need some implement recommendations

/ Need some implement recommendations #1  

Doug62

Silver Member
Joined
Aug 23, 2020
Messages
191
Location
Charleston, SC
Tractor
new
Need a bushhog for a 36HP 27(PTO) tractor, a grapple and also a finish mower. I'll likely buy the bush hog and grapple first for a timber farm and use it to keep the grass down until I can afford a finish mower.

What do I need to look for quality wise and value wise? I know the Woods stuff is top notch but really don't know how to tell high quality from not other than judging by sheet metal thickness.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #2  
I just purchased a Bush Hog BH215 (5') after lots of research. I needed to be able to cut 2" dia. brush. The short list came down to Woods BB6030, BH215 or a Rhino TW25. They all seemed to have different pros and cons on the spec sheets. The BH215 was available local and had slip clutch and front AND rear chains and was about 250-350 less than the BB6030 and TW25.

The best grapple out there is EverythingAttachments.com wicked series. Wicked 55 would probably be best size for your tractor, however, they are not the least expensive initially to purchase.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations
  • Thread Starter
#3  
Thanks. Look forward to getting some other replies. I do have another question to go along with this. I watched a video last night of a flail mower and it seemed to be able to cut the grass pretty low and do a great job on heavy brush. It seems safer and easier to operate than a rotary mower. What am I missing?
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #4  
Need a bushhog for a 36HP 27(PTO) tractor, a grapple and also a finish mower. I'll likely buy the bush hog and grapple first for a timber farm.

What do I need to look for quality wise and value wise?

With 27 PTO horsepower you can adequately power a 5' wide Rotary Cutter.

My Kubota L3560/HST+ has 28 PTO horsepower. I do a lot of trail maintenance in a 172 acre residential development, which approximates timber farm use in Florida and probably coastal South Carolina.

Implement weight is always a good place to start. A five foot wide medium duty Rotary Cutter, nominally rated for 2" cut, weighs around 600 pounds and usually has a Category 3 drive line.

A five foot wide heavy duty "right-of-way" Rotary Cutter, nominally rated for 3" cut, weighs around 1,000 pounds and has a Category 4 drive line.

I have owned both. The medium duty model could not take it. Required $600+ shop work each year. Sold it.

I recommend a heavy duty Rotary Cutter as your cheapest option in the long run. I have had no maintenance issues with the heavy duty model in three years operation. I use a chainsaw for 3" stuff, but I mow 2" hard woods all the time.

I have owned Land Pride. Woods and Bush Hog (brand) are also good. Look for Category 4 drive line. Expect to pay $3,500 pre-tax for a 5' heavy duty Rotary Cutter with chain guards front and rear.
(Many Rotary Cutter components are produced in Asia though none tell you so. So, do not get too crazed on "brand".)

You will absolutely want optional chain guards front and rear.

T-B-N ARCHIVE: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/412398-bush-hog-size-l3560.html
 
Last edited:
/ Need some implement recommendations
  • Thread Starter
#5  
Cool This tractor is a 2021 1835MH. 36 hp motor but rated 27 hp at the PTO.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #6  
Thanks. Look forward to getting some other replies. I do have another question to go along with this. I watched a video last night of a flail mower and it seemed to be able to cut the grass pretty low and do a great job on heavy brush. It seems safer and easier to operate than a rotary mower. What am I missing?

To try to address each point you have raised
1) quality of a brush cutter involves many many factors. Thickness of steel being 1 measure, but all steel is not equal either, so that you can have a thinner high quality steel that will dent and deteriorate slower than some thicker steels. This will typically be included in their spec sheets if higher quality steel is used. If the steel only spec is a thickness (ga or fraction of inches) it is probably not a higher quality. This matters in how you use it.
The gearbox will be rated in several ways. One is hp rating. Do not buy one where your tractor hp is at the top of its rating range. Then you will have a rating as to what they will cut (2” material) check out this rating closely. Know how you plan to use the cutter and look for one that exceeds those conditions. These can throw objects with great force, if buildings where windows, siding or other parts could be damaged, be sure the mower has heavy, closely spaced chains in place. Some have these ‘deflectors’ front and rear (usually these are higher quality units). Assuming you are looking at known brands, price is an indicator or the quality. Some brands have a lower quality unit—steel grade, steel thickness, material it will cut and others conditions will be lowered. That does not make them bad but may make them inappropriate for some uses. (Example, horses prefer to eat shorter grasses, but your pasture may not have trees growing in it and you may have it clear of rocks and other objects—a lowered ability cutter may meet those needs saving funds)

Now let me jump to fail mowers. They are a different approach. They turn more like a tiller than a traditional mower, as such, they are less likely to throw objects. The same unit can be set up (some work involved) to act as a finish mower or a brush mower. They use knifes and hammers for this difference of cut. Again this is an involved process and not one you will want to do on a frequent basis. Just as some folks mow yards with brush cutters, you may find the cut acceptable with the hammers for your yard (most don’t however). Many of the above comments apply as they share common things (steel, gearboxes, and others)
The biggie for most people is cost.

Grapple, I have never pursued hard the purchase. My bucket is pin on and no 3rd function hydraulics. I would love to have one—maybe one day!
But lots of the above applies—big one is steel quality. Other considerations—weight, every pound of weight of the grapple is a pound of material you can not lift (this really goes to quality and strength of the steel).
Lids, I have never heard anyone complain about a 2 lid grapple function, but lots of folks wishing their single lid was a 2 lid due to material not being consistent on both sides.
Style of grapple—try to determine your plan usage and get the style that best matches that.
Hydraulics—is a diverter valve 3rd function something you can function with or do you want a 3rd valve to function independent of the other loader functions (usually curl/dump on a diverter are affected). Do you want an independent valve to function with a 3rd lever, or a flip switch (usually includes a electrically switched valve using solenoids).

In short lots of research for you prior to purchase of any single item. An informed shopper/buyer is one who while he may spend more initially, invest that money better long term. I will always content that buying 1 implement that meets your needs and baring the change of needs, serves one well for 10-15-20 years (not unheard of for home owner use) instead of buying an implement that in 5 years needs to be replaced.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #7  
I watched a video of a flail mower last night. It seemed able to cut the grass pretty low and do a great job on heavy brush. It seems safer and easier to operate than a rotary mower. What am I missing?
A 5' Rotary Cutter has two (2) swinging blades formed from flat steel. Cheap to make, relatively easy to sharpen if desired, relatively cheap to replace.

A 5' Flail has 300 (?) complexly shaped cutting blocks.




What is a flail mower? Never heard of a flail til perusing the pages of TBN.

(Esteemed) Farmwithjunk reply - 8/22/2011

"A flail mower is what you use to make your mowing job take longer, use more fuel to get less done, and keep the parts man and mechanics busy, all the while emptying your wallet at an incredible pace."



Flails are for mowing where people may be encountered. A Rotary Cutter is the better choice for tree farm use.
 
Last edited:
/ Need some implement recommendations #8  
There are differences for which each is best for.

[video]https://orecamerica.com/brushcutter/[/video]

Article is about walk behinds but the same principles should apply for tractor mounted ones.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #9  
As to the grapple, for long term use and many hours a week of operation, I would get the Everything Attachments grapple. I have never seen a poor report on them. I am a hobby user with only 20 acres to care for, but I process about 8 cords of logs a year for firewood, I bought an inexpensive MTL for $1000 and have been very pleased with it. But I may not know any better...LOL.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #10  
Need a bushhog for a 36HP 27(PTO) tractor, a grapple and also a finish mower. I'll likely buy the bush hog and grapple first for a timber farm and use it to keep the grass down until I can afford a finish mower.

What do I need to look for quality wise and value wise? I know the Woods stuff is top notch but really don't know how to tell high quality from not other than judging by sheet metal thickness.

Use this to determine which style grapple you need: The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!! - Page 81

And the new thread: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/393132-wicked-grapple-guide.html?highlight=
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #11  
Bought a used 5' rotary mower years ago for $500, used it for a couple years and sold it for $500. It was a Tractor Supply unit and it held up OK.

Own/owned two Caroni 5' side discharge RFM's one 5' Landpride RFM, one Landpride 6' rear discharge RFM and currently run a rear discharge Caroni 7-1/2' RFM. One of the 5' Caroni decks and both Landpride decks were bought new. The 7-1/2 footer was an involved refurb project and it was pressed into service a little over a year ago behind the L4240. The Landpride decks are heavier, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Caroni. Agrisupply has any parts needed at very reasonable prices.

Flail mowers have tempted me, but not quite enough to seriously consider one. Not certain of it's true but a bud told me that flails are required for PA road right-of-way mowing contracts because they don't throw stuff. I like the "regular" RFM's for the 4-wheel suspension and ease of sharpening blades. Most of the flails look like they run on skids and would rip turf on tight turns. Not sure how difficult it would be to sharpen the blades or how expensive it would be to replace them.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #12  
I've been looking for a rotary cutter, on/off, for a couple years. I've narrowed it down to a Brown 415 or Rhino TW35. If I were to purchase today - Rhino TW35. I like the idea of the new curved body design, super HD rear wheel assembly and a local dealer. A large majority of my cutting would be backing into Buck brush.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #13  
I am happy with the hammer-style of my flail for yard work [no, I don't do anything with the yard beyond mowing it].
I also own a Woods rotary cutter & a Woods finish mower.
Since buying the flail (I wanted an offset for cutting under things I couldn't get close to w/ the cab), I have not mounted either of the Woods mowers.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #14  
I have a tractor about the same size as the OP, I have a Corona 5 ft flail, and a Landpride rear finish mower. I wouldn’t use either to cut 2 inch thick brush.
That is a job for an ancient, beat to heck very stout rotary cutter, it only comes out when the play gets rough.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations
  • Thread Starter
#15  
I am happy with the hammer-style of my flail for yard work [no, I don't do anything with the yard beyond mowing it].
I also own a Woods rotary cutter & a Woods finish mower.
Since buying the flail (I wanted an offset for cutting under things I couldn't get close to w/ the cab), I have not mounted either of the Woods mowers.

What make and model of flail did you go with?
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #16  
I've been looking for a rotary cutter, on/off, for a couple years. I've narrowed it down to a Brown 415 or Rhino TW35. If I were to purchase today - Rhino TW35. I like the idea of the new curved body design, super HD rear wheel assembly and a local dealer. A large majority of my cutting would be backing into Buck brush.

If you haven't already, You should look at the Bush Hog BH315 (10 year gearbox warranty) as well, it's on par with the TW35. I have been real happy with my BH215 after about 6 hours of cutting lots of scrub oak 8-12 feet tall and every bit of 2" diameter. I power washed it yesterday top and bottom and was really surprised how well it held up, no dents, distortion or paint loss except one little paint chip spot on the left side I touched up before storage.

I don't know anything about the Brown.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #17  
If you haven't already, You should look at the Bush Hog BH315 (10 year gearbox warranty) as well, it's on par with the TW35. I have been real happy with my BH215 after about 6 hours of cutting lots of scrub oak 8-12 feet tall and every bit of 2" diameter. I power washed it yesterday top and bottom and was really surprised how well it held up, no dents, distortion or paint loss except one little paint chip spot on the left side I touched up before storage.

I don't know anything about the Brown.
down here the Brown cutter is considered the most durable you can buy. I do like the looks of the TW36 too
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #18  
Here the Brown is suppose to be the best and the highest priced. Never have seen one.

I have used rough cut mowers of at least three different brands. Have used two flail mowers on boom mowers and one on the offset ditch bank design. Also have a Bushog brand 72 inch rear finishing mower.

I have not use a rear discharge finishing mower but if were buying today would consider one. The rear finishing mower very pleased with the service my Bushog has given me except with the wheels. Not a fan of the type of bearings they use and boy are the parts costly. The wheel with bearings are $89 at my dealer and then the sleeve you need is another $9 per wheel or $400 total.

Rotary mower I think is faster than a flail mower but I like the results better or at least my experience with the two for rough cutting. Agree with on lawns flail needs to be lifted to make the turns or my experience any way. Never seen wheels on a flail mower for it to ride on like rotary mowers are almost always made to. Rotary cutter will cut what ever you are mowing normally once so the length is what it is unless you have a mulching system in place. In rough cutting the flail will normally cut the material more than once and not build it in lumps as a rotary mower can. My experience in rough mowing needs it will not leave as sharp a stump as rotary mower can. A flail mower will act as a chipper to some degree where a rotary mower will not. I have eased my boom flail mower down on a tree (normally pine up to about 4 inches) chipping it as being slowly lowered. My hand is not smooth enough to lower rotary the same way.

Depending on your needs you may want an offset mower to cut under trees but that will raise the price of mower a good bit. Agri Supply has store in Florence and also one about Orangeburg I think. You may find mower there to suit your needs. They do have some light weight cutters and some heavy duty ones. Don't drive to them without calling to verify they have them in stock. I find their online inventory off recently. Offset ditch bank flail mowers are heavy and costly. I bought a Sigma, Phoenix brand this spring and am pleased with it. Bought it from "www.carverequipment.com". Steve Carver was a pleasure to deal with. Suggest you visit his web site.

Be careful buying used mowers.

I bought Everything Attachments wicked 60 inch grapple for handing trees and been pleased with it. I am near Conway, if you want to see one hands on would be glad to allow you to play with it here. I have plenty of trees down now in the edges of my woods.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #19  
The only "tough stuff" I'd be cutting is Buck brush. A big stem of that stuff might get up to 1/4" in diameter, at its base. Buck brush will grow in stands up to two and a half feet high. Otherwise - a whole lot of bunch grass & meadow grass.

I have no concerns about buying a used mower, around here. For 38+ years I've scanned the available sources. There just IS NOT any type, shape or form of used utility tractor sized implements in this area. I think there must be some kind of unwritten law - "Must be shipped east of the Mississippi for resale".

Now if I wanted a 24 bottom reversible moldboard plow to pull behind my 400hp tractor - the wheat fields are full of them.

But I tend to rant - so I'll let it go for now.
 
/ Need some implement recommendations #20  
--------------------------------------------------------
Agree with on lawns flail needs to be lifted to make the turns or my experience any way. Never seen wheels on a flail mower for it to ride on like rotary mowers are almost always made to. --------------------------
You probably have seen wheels on a flail, just not on a 3 point flail: out front flail deck - Image Search

Out front flail deck:

Toro_Groundsmaster_328D_60_in_Flail.jpg
Toro_328D_60_in_Flail.jpg
 
 

Marketplace Items

2013 Freightliner M2 106 Altec TA45M 44ft. Insulated Bucket Truck (A60352)
2013 Freightliner...
832647 (A61165)
832647 (A61165)
MARATHON 20KW GENERATOR (A58214)
MARATHON 20KW...
2025 Wolverine MCB-11-48W 48in Hydraulic 4-Way Clamshell Bucket Skid Steer Attachment (A61567)
2025 Wolverine...
2014 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Pickup Truck (A55973)
2014 Chevrolet...
500BBL WHEELED FRAC TANK (A58214)
500BBL WHEELED...
 
Top