Buying Advice New Guy - Looking to Buy

[Grandad4]

BTw, I've been offered Industrial tyres, rather than Ag. Apparently because they're better on slopes and leave less marks on the ground.

I wont be doing bowling greens or finished lawns with this so, are Ag tyres the way to go? I hear the rear wheels should be filled with water for added weight and stability, too.

An endless debate, as noted. Primary advantage of R4's is their much heavier tread and sidewall construction; so less likely to get cut or punctured and better for carrying heavy loads in the FEL. R4's tread design does not have the aggressive lugs of the R1 ag tires, however; so R1's work better in mud or other slippy conditions and in conventional farm tillage tasks.

By the way, in one of the earlier 4 in 1 threads in the Attachments section, a poster mentioned how common 4 in 1's were in Australia. That may explain why your dealer is pushing you in that direction.

 

[CJBOTA]

I would like to here from others, but I am fairly sure putting a backhoe on a
MX5100 vs an L series is not a compromise. Atleast I hope not. I think your dealer is trying to push you to a certain model for some reason. Although I have R1's on my current tractor the R4's on my previous tractor were serious tough tires. I did some logging in one section of our farm which was full of mature multi flora rose thorn and thorn apple trees. I still can't beleive I didn't get even one flat tire on my L3700 with R4's. I went with the R1's this time purely for the traction. I may have to pull a heavy 300 gallon orchard sprayer thru a few soft spots this spring and I can't be getting stuck.
CJ

 

[CPM]

I would like to here from others, but I am fairly sure putting a backhoe on a
MX5100 vs an L series is not a compromise. Atleast I hope not. I think your dealer is trying to push you to a certain model for some reason. Although I have R1's on my current tractor the R4's on my previous tractor were serious tough tires. I did some logging in one section of our farm which was full of mature multi flora rose thorn and thorn apple trees. I still can't beleive I didn't get even one flat tire on my L3700 with R4's. I went with the R1's this time purely for the traction. I may have to pull a heavy 300 gallon orchard sprayer thru a few soft spots this spring and I can't be getting stuck.
CJ

Thanks for the comment. He's pushing the MX5100 with virtually no difference in price between that and the L4400. Not sure why - wondering if the L4400 has more features or something or if the 5100 is about to be replaced?

 

[crazyal]

It's hard for us in the states to understand that it's different where you are. For us it's easy to get a backhoe for a 5100 where someone else has posted that it's very hard, if even possible at all for you.

Anther thing that I've learned is in Canada there's a HP barrier. Once you cross it then taxes are a lot cheaper. It actually turned out that a M7040 was the same price as a L4740 so what you may be seeing is that could be the case for you as well and the 5100 is just taxes less than the 4400. It could, just a guess, mean that if you add a BH to a 5100 then you get charged a higher tax rate so nobody does it and the dealers just don't order the subframe for it. It could be that a 50hp tractor is for ag unless you put a BH on it and ag tractors cost less. But most of this is just guessing on my part.

In the US there are lots of different grapples for sale which makes them a popular option. Down there it could be different or it just could be that people are just use to the 4 in 1 and like them. Even tires, ag vs industrial can be different. Around me the R4s load up in the woods real quickly because of the type of dirt and amount of water but that's here.

 

[Samandothers]

You have a heck of a choice. I like my backhoe grapple combo. If big dig it up with backhoe and carry it off with grapple. If small enough root it out with grapple. These two probably are on my tractor more than other stuff, great clearing combo. Definitely fill the back tires. I have ag tires and they are good on land. However I hate to even drive straight across the lawn as you will end up with clematis marks.