NEW......Home Heating Oil Question

[Dusty]

Since the introduction of the new ULSD fuel, have they also reformulated the home heating oil to also be low sulfur? If so, how will this new formulation effect the performance and reliability of the oil burner itself? I also wonder if they are now using the ULSD in locomotives. I know that in the past, the locomotives were burning home heating oil, not diesel. Then we also have to consider the fact that at one point, home heating oil and diesel were the same product, with only the dye and price as differentials. Thanks Dusty

 

[SkyPup]

No, they haven't done anything with home heating oil.

Locomotives were never burning home heating oil, they have always been burning diesel fuel.

The locomotives will be running ULSD if the minimum capacity of the smallest engine cylinder is less than 30 liters.

 

[MadReferee]

No, they haven't done anything with home heating oil.

This is why you should be reading the labeling on the pumps in case your off-road is the same as HHO, which it is in some areas of the country.

Locomotives were never burning home heating oil, they have always been burning diesel fuel.

The locomotives will be running ULSD if the minimum capacity of the smallest engine cylinder is less than 30 liters.

Not quite true. They can still run LSD (<500 ppm) until 2012 assuming they can still get it. The exception is California where ULSD must be used in locomotives starting Jan 1, 2007. The following is from the Clean Diesel Fuel Alliance web site and applies to everyone everywhere except California:

• Diesel fuel intended for locomotive, marine and non-road engines and equipment must meet the Low Sulfur Diesel fuel maximum specification of 500 ppm sulfur in 2007.
• By June 2010, the ULSD fuel standard of 15 ppm sulfur will apply to non-road diesel fuel production.
• Beginning in 2012, locomotive and marine diesel fuel must meet the ULSD fuel standard of 15 ppm sulfur.

 

[Iowachild]

When heating oil is loaded at the refinery I work for, the bill of lading states the following: "DYED HEATING OIL. NOT FOR USE IN VEHICLES OR ENGINES OR NONROAD, LOCOMOTIVE, OR MARINE ENGINES". Take it for what it's worth.

 

[Sully2]

When heating oil is loaded at the refinery I work for, the bill of lading states the following: "DYED HEATING OIL. NOT FOR USE IN VEHICLES OR ENGINES OR NONROAD, LOCOMOTIVE, OR MARINE ENGINES". Take it for what it's worth.

Here in southern Ohio...its all the same stuff. Home heating oil = AG #2 diesel fuel.

 

[SkyPup]

When heating oil is loaded at the refinery I work for, the bill of lading states the following: "DYED HEATING OIL. NOT FOR USE IN VEHICLES OR ENGINES OR NONROAD, LOCOMOTIVE, OR MARINE ENGINES". Take it for what it's worth.

I know what you mean, it would seem pretty strange for a Railroad Corporation to be purchasing home heating oil instead of diesel fuel for their locomotives....

 

[KICK]

FWIW, I was always told the main difference between home heating oil and Diesel was they guaranteed the minimum cetane rating on Diesel fuel, doesn't matter on home heat fuel, hence it may or may not be all that great to run in an engine.

multifuel rated engine would digest it beter than a true on-road engine.

 

[rswyan]

Here in southern Ohio...its all the same stuff. Home heating oil = AG #2 diesel fuel.

Same in Northern Ohio too - at least at my supplier (Campbell Oil)

 

[MadReferee]

Same in Northern Ohio too - at least at my supplier (Campbell Oil)

Are they the same price too? In the northeast, "True" home heating oil is about $0.20 per gallon cheaper wholesale than dyed diesel. That's because they are different with the diesel having more additives and such.

 

[Sully2]

Are they the same price too? In the northeast, "True" home heating oil is about $0.20 per gallon cheaper wholesale than dyed diesel. That's because they are different with the diesel having more additives and such.

Same price here. What I cant understand..??...is "supposidly" ( this is what Im told...) there is no delivery charge with AG fuel..with a 350 gal min purchase..BUT...with home heating oil..its only a 200 gal purchase?? ( up until this spring..it was 350 gal for heating oil also). Dont make a bit of sense to me??