New Tractor Guidance

   / New Tractor Guidance #31  
And I whole heartedly agree. I am in timber country and many of our tractor users are loggers. In this case weight is very important.

Maka
 
   / New Tractor Guidance #32  
It is a broad claim. I think that in the compact and utility tractor market they may have some that are but I know that they have some that are not.

Who knows how they come up with that but in an apples to apples there are others who have them beat. Not an attack on Kioti, I like them but that claim is general.

Maka
 
   / New Tractor Guidance #33  
most of these claims are written by corp. lawyers and mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. walmart= always the low price, compared to what? gm= the most powerful diesel on the planet with duramax technology, the only diesel on the planet with duramax technology oreilly auto parts= low price guarantee= we guarantee it's a low price but there probably are lower. you get the point, don't mean nothing!!!!!!!!!
 
   / New Tractor Guidance #34  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I was reading a kioti advertisment yesterday.. they claim highest weight per hp ratio in the tractor market... Is this an advertisement 'slogan' or are they for real.

Soundguy )</font>


Chris, I dig into specs all the time and while I never bothered to look into that as a specific topic, I can tell you that a Kioti CK25 with FEL and liquid in the rear tires would weigh in at roughly 4000#. You can do the math on the competitors, but a 25hp 4000# tractor would have a lot more weight per horsepower than a Kubota 24hp B7610 that weighs roughly 2200# similarly equipped. Now I don't know why they would want to make that their slogan, seems to me that a CK25 would have a hard time running a tiller or snowblower that would be much wider than the rear width of the machine, especially in adverse conditions. Granted weight = traction, but I'd only want that in a dedicated TLB, or a logging tractor, but certainly not in an all around machine.
 
   / New Tractor Guidance #35  
Yep.. I guess you don't want your golf course mower to have the highest weight per hp in the market! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Soundguy
 
   / New Tractor Guidance #36  
If you equate HP to price it becomes clear why you might want the highest weight per dollar ratio. This would be best for situations where maximum tractive force is the primary concern and the travel speed while pulling that much force is not a concern. For example creeping through the woods pulling heavy logs.

If you want high force and higher travel speed, you need both high weight and high HP. For things like pulling a big plow through a lot of acres per day.

If you want to perform some kind of high power PTO operation but don't need a lot of traction for tasks like mowing or perhaps tilling, then you want HP but you don't need the weight. In some cases, you can't tolerate the weight because it destroys the turf or compacts the soil too much.

If the axle ratings are high enough, you can generally add weight in the form of ballast to a lighter machine. Its tough to remove weight below the un-ballasted base weight of a heavier machine.

A high HP, low weight machine with the axle ratings to handle being ballasted to the desired weight (traction) when needed will provide the most all-around versatility.

But remember, ballast usually costs money too. It can be cheap if its fluid in the tires or a concrete block, or expensive if its cast iron suitcases.

- Rick
 
   / New Tractor Guidance #37  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( or expensive if its cast iron suitcases.
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I'm glad my NH dealer 'thre' in some weight for free onmy 7610s. couldn't have aforded them if sold seperately ( wouldn'd have paid ).

Another angle is the high weight machines needing more traction.. like adding dual rears.. etc and in some cases of the big dirt moving 4wd models.. dual fronts as well.

Soundguy
 
   / New Tractor Guidance #38  
I just took delivery of the Farm Pro 8240. I spent two hours last night going over the tractor with a fine tooth comb. I was expecting a rough machine with a lot of imperfections. Was I ever surprised! The only other machine I really looked very closely at before buying was a MF 471. In my opinion, there wasn't any difference in workmanship or quality. Since the Farm Pro uses a Perkins Turbo diesel which MF also uses in some of their tractors, I'd expect similar performance. I only have the Belarus 572 to compare, but the Belarus is down right crude by comparison. It's a great basic brute of a tractor but it won't win any show prizes. I have pictures of the two tractors side by side if anyone wants to see them just send me an email. 8 in total 10 megs so DSL or cable modem will help.

I prefer to do my log work in the winter in deep snow. Basically for three reasons:

1 - least amount of moisture in the stem
2 - Frost makes the ground rock hard = little damage
3 - the snow allows for easier skidding, keeps the logs of the ground.
 
   / New Tractor Guidance #39  
how does the log winch work? looks like it lifts (good), and uses a backplow as a shield and with a TNT could probably pick up? more knowledge is needed.

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