NH Backhoe VS Woods?

Anonymous Poster · Apr 14, 2003

I am looking to buy a NH TC45D with FEL and a backhoe. I am getting financing through NH. Is there a difference between the NH backhoe and a Woods. The NH seems a bit more expensive, but the difference in financing will probably make it an even expense since NH charges 2.9 for NH and about 8% on offbrand implements. Thanks. Paul

Adam · Apr 18, 2003

I can't help much, but I have a similar question. I am buying a TC35 with 16LA loader and a backhoe. The dealer is suggesting going with the Bush Hog 765H instead of the NH 757C for basically the same price.

I have heard the Woods makes a good backhoe. I don't have any experience with it to back that statement up, so it is heresay at this point.

Thanks,
Adam

John_Mc · Apr 18, 2003

One good thing about the NH backhoes is that you don't have to remove any 3 pt hitch parts to mount them. This is not true of many other brands (not sure about Woods, but I think you do have to remove some parts... lower 3 pt arms???)

John Mc

Anonymous Poster · Apr 19, 2003

Paul87: Suggest the NH BH for a couple or reasons.

1) Warranty issues - if you run into problems where the BH affects the tractor, they can't claim it's the BH's fault. I know of cases where a third party brand BH actually split a tractor. If that happened with the NH hoe they can't claim incompatibility caused it.

2) The NH BH is a little more complicated to remove, though not much, but the subframe (running along the bottom of the tractor) comes off with the hoe which leaves the tractor "cleaner".

3) The NH BH in some respects is very strong - example, measure the thickness of the swing plates and compare against other brands. The stabilizer & boom locks are simple, thick metal pivot plates that lock over lugs - crude, but effective and likely never to "fail".

Woods makes a very good hoe. In my opinion, having looked at a number of brands prior to buying a NH 758C, the very strongest BH is Bradco (Mahindra offers them as their brand). The Bradco makes subframes for 55 different tractors so you can take the hoe with you when/if you trade tractors - just get a new subframe for that tractor. Woods offers subframe kits for different tractors as well.

The primary benefit of sticking with the NH BH is compatibility/warranty while the primary benefit of Woods (or Bradco) is flexibility using with other tractor brands. I just bought a TC40 with FEL & BH, but seriously considered the Mahindra because of the Bradco BH - it was almost an issue of buying the tractor to get the hoe!!!! I may end up yet selling the NH hoe and buying a Bradco. The NH hydraulic flow (nearly 10 gpm) is very good and can run the Woods or Bradco better than some other tractor brands and with the NH hoe operation is quick. See my review of a TC40 (which includes the hoe) in the review section of this forum.

JEH

Anonymous Poster · Apr 20, 2003

Thanks for the feedback. This board is a wealth of information. It sounds like some very good reasons to go with the NH. The hydro must be good on the NH cause the JD dealer told me the JD needs a power beyond kit to keep up with the hydro demand of a backhoe. Thanks again. Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Anonymous Poster · Apr 22, 2003

Paul87: The "power beyond" you mentioned re: the JD has nothing to do with hydraulic capacity. It is the means by which the hydraulic flow from the pump is diverted to the BH. In other words, the flow is not through the standard "remotes", but through a separate auxilary set-up. The out-put (to the BH or whatever) is connected to the input ciruit in the BH when running the BH. When not, it is plugged back into the tractor flow. NH does the same thing (NH out-put is located on the starboard side near where the front pins attach the subframe). I don't know where the out-put circuit on the JD is located (I think below the "joy-stick", or, maybe to the loader circuit, but am not sure). The return hydraulic flow from the implement (in this case the BH) dumps into the reservoir through another connection - thus "power beyond" the integrated hydraulics that are built into the tractor - it does not mean "more power". The only way to get that, is a PTO driven hydraulic pump dedicated to driving the BH only. What to look for in the hydraulics is the pump output in gallons per minute. The NH is pretty good in this area. I was not trying to recommend the NH BH necessarily, just trying to point out the pros & cons compared to others, which was the original question in this thread. JEH

Anonymous Poster · Apr 22, 2003

Thanks for the explanation. Some if the technical terms and parts are new to me. I misunderstood how the power beyond worked. I know JD has always been a quality tractor, I couldn't understand why it would need the additional equipment to run a BH. I learn something new everyday. Thanks again. Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif