No trade in value?

   / No trade in value? #1  

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" '06" Kioti CK30 2015 Mahindra 2555 shuttle 2019 Massey 1760M
Went to my dealer today to get filters for my CK20, got to "eye-ballin" the CK30 shuttle shift with FEL. Just for the heck of it, I asked him what kind of trade in I could get towards the 30, said I'd get VERY little! I guess I must be stupid or very confused. Here's my tractor not a year old yet, paid cash, has 54 hrs. on it and is in excellent condition and it ain't worth nothing /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Can anyone explain this (in laymans terms) to me?
Just curious.
 
   / No trade in value? #2  
I suspect one of the problems was that he knew you weren't seriously considering buying it. He certainly wasn't going to commit a price unless you guys really got down to the nitty gritty of buying, and of course, a dealer doesn't WANT to give very much for a trade in. It's usually better to sell outright with cars AND tractors.
That this dealer made this statement is no indication of the true value of a trade in on your tractor. There has to be a lot more conversation than an offhand, well how much could I... type of question.
John
 
   / No trade in value? #3  
Another thought-with 0% financing for 3 years on a new tractor, who would want a slightly used tractor that they would have to pay some interest on with a loan? For that tractor to be marketable against a brand new one to another consumer, he probably could not give you much on trade, and still make a profit for his dealership. It works the same for cars, boats, etc. About the only thing that did work for was Harley, and that was when the new ones were in short supply. CK20s are not in short supply, although I think they are selling quite well. The only way to try to beat that is to sell it yourself, and even then it would be tough to get a price close to a new tractor with 0 interest.
 
   / No trade in value? #4  
In simple terms look at the math (we'll use rounded numbers to make it easy)

Assume you are trading in a CK20 tractor/implements that cost you $12,000.
Assume a new CK20 with the same stuff is still $12,000.

+ The brand new CK20, if financed at 0% costs $12,000 to the buyer.
- A used CK20, if financed at roughly 5.5% will cost an added $1500 in interest for a total of $13,500 to the buyer.

+ Assume the dealer gets financing from Kioti to floorplan a tractor on his lot. In essense he borrows the tractor (or perhaps rents it at a low price) until he sells it.
- A dealer essentially buys a used tractor at the trade in price, so it actually costs him some cash flow.

+ Assume the dealer needs to make $750 on a new tractor to stay in business. That price is built into the $12,000 selling price the consumer pays.
- The same $750 profit margin must be SUBTRACTED from price he can give you, so he can add it to the sales price when he sells it.

+ A new CK20 comes to the buyer with that "new car" smell.
- A used CK20 comes to the buyer with some real questions that lurk in the back of the buyers mind like if this was such a good machine why didn't he keep it?


So, a consumer walks in and wants to buy a tractor from a dealer. There is a used (54hr) CK20 and a new CK20 sitting side by side.

The new CK20 costs $12,000, the dealer makes $750, the consumer pays 0% interest.

The used CK20 value is $12,000 LESS $1500 interest equalizer ($10,500) less $750 dealer margin (value now only = $9750) and we have not even figured out the dealers potential lost cash flow on floorplanning (if available) and even more importantly we have not calculated anthing for 1st year depreciation yet! So the consumer saves some money (pays ~$10,500 or a bit more), but the trade in given is going to be at least $750 lower than the consumer pays, the guy trading in is the loser.

These numbers strictly are the math to show an EQUAL deal where the consumer is ACTUALLY paying EXACTLY $12,000 for a used tractor. So with that in mind, the consumer would actually be better off buying new for exactly the same price.

So I suspect that if you tried to sell it outright, you could sell it for more than a dealer would give as trade in, however, you would still be competing with the "0% financing" factor and that drives down your value. As does the dubious concept of buying from an individual who may not be trustworthy in the eyes of the buyer (no reflection on you personally, just a real observation that some buyers might have). While I think Kioti probably is a good brand, it has much less name recognition to many consumers than John Deere or Kubota have, so that also MAY (in newer markets) hurt the value of the Kioti. So there are lots of factors that hurt the price of 1 year old machines.

NOW, it all changes if the machines are in great demand and in short supply. But lets be honest here, there are lots of people selling CUTS now and lots of brands to choose from.


Financing numbers based on 5 years, $0.00 down payment. Now an uneducated consumer might not do the math, so he might pay more than $9750, and end up actually paying more in TOTAL dollars for the used tractor, but the math above is an example of a rational purchasing decision. Changing the terms of the loan (% rate and/or years), including a down payment, or paying cash would all change the numbers, but the concept would hold true. And this would be why our Mama's told us to do our homework when we were kids because some day we'd actually have to use math.
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   / No trade in value? #5  
We've just about all beaten this subject to death when it comes to buying a nearly new used tractor. With the 0% and low % loans, the new tractor has been more attractive for a while now.
When interest rates go up some more (just increased 1/4 point again), and dealers stop offering such low financing, the values of used are going to go up.
That's why most of the time, a three year old and older tractor is going to get back more money than a nearly new. Prices have already increased twice on tractors since I bought mine. Mine will be holding more of it's value each year, but not in inflation-corrected dollars.
John
 
   / No trade in value? #6  
I actually am going to disagree with some of this. If we had a tractor like this it would sell for $500 or so under the cost of a brand new one. Yes, you have to give value to financing. However many customers come in looking to pay cash... frankly, the cash discounts are a joke so with a tractor like this if you can show a $500 savings it will move.
 
   / No trade in value? #7  
Exactly.
 
   / No trade in value? #8  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I actually am going to disagree with some of this. If we had a tractor like this it would sell for $500 or so under the cost of a brand new one. )</font>
And I doubt you'd sell it for that price either. If someone is standing there looking at a new one with a full warranty for $500 more than the used one you're selling, I'd almost bet that they'd go the extra $500. Now, maybe if you priced it at $1000 less, I'd buy that.
Still, the dealer isn't going to give that great a value in trade for any newer used tractor when faced with this dilemma. He/she is going to need to get a good profit margin in there.
John
 
   / No trade in value? #9  
Probably the same as car dealers. A dealer wants to get at least 20% on selling a trade in, hence they will usually offer you 20% or less that the retail value.
 
   / No trade in value? #10  
Messick:
I don't think so.......
As a matter of fact I know that that doesn't fly.....
Do you really think $500 savings is worth a year less warranty and that is going to make this tractor move........
Give me a break!

Trade ins on nearly new equipment are very hard to deal with because they always hurt the dealer UNLESS the dealer steals it from the customer and we (personally) won't do it.
We will consign it free but won't rape a customer on a trade.

KO
 

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