Nortrac Tractor

[NMRojo]

Has anyone done business with a company called King Tool Machine in Indonesia? King Tool Machine - The best store for tools, NorTrac, Husqvarna Mowers, northStar and Generac Generators
They sell the Nortrac tractors. The Nortrac 40XT w/FEL is what I am considering.
Anyone purchased a Nortrac and what has been your experience with it?
Thanks

 

[motownbrowne]

Pretty handy with a wrench??

How's the dealer support from king tool machine?

There's certainly some happy Chinese tractor owners here. And there's sure plenty of cheap machines on the market. For me, the price difference between them and a more proven brand like kioti, ls, tym, Kubota wasn't enough. I looked at what was being sold locally, and picked based on what fit my budget at a dealership I could deal with.

They're certainly worth a look, but I'd have to be pretty confident before i bought a nortrak or one of the other Chinese models.

 

[JKR]

I would only buy from a dealer that near my home. You never know when you need service or a part.

 

[George2615]

Never heard of King Tool but have heard of Northern Tool. They also sell everything you just listed and are here in the U.S.
Northern tool has been selling Nortrac tractors and dozers for quite a few years now. Northern Tool used to be Northern Hydraulic. I've been doing business with them since the 1980's. Can't find out if Northern Tool and King tool are related but they sell the same stuff. Here's a link to Northern tool. They sell the 40XT also. Nortrac is built by Jinma of China

40 HP NorTrac Tractors | Farm Tractors + Tractor Equipment | Farm + Acreage | Northern Tool + Equipment

I think you can be an LS, Kioti, Branson, Cub Cadet, Kubota, or many others for about the same price as the Nortrac with much better dealer support and parts availability.

 

[HEC]

I couldn't agree more with the above statements plus one day you may want to sell it or trade up , many things to consider , and cheaper isn't always the best deal for the longer term .

 

[enginesludge]

I have been looking at Jinma and Nortrac since I started having problems with HST on my Kubota. I like to add that all these braggin rights, hi quality, brand name machines are very complex and HST only. The Jinma suffers from very poor quality control. That is not bad design or poor materials, but random issues, early failures, with the tractors. It is a very simple machine. The Nortrac is the exact same tractor as a Jinma. Only difference is good dealer preparation and support. In spite of that, read the customer rating an most all Nortrac had at least some issue: leaky hose or seal, etc. Easy fix. A new Nortra is 2-4k more than exact same Jinma. Can you fix a leak for 4k?

What I really want to add. there seems to be a local glut of used Jinma and Nortrac around here (New England). Many under 100 hours and others under 400. price seem almost random $3500 to $5000. Some with loaders. Many home owner garaged in minty condition. One with a finish mower. One needing a pump rebuild or replace (that has a zl20 loader and is 3k!) Both 200 and 300 series, take your pick. Dirt cheap-used.

Buy a new chinese and face almost certain early problems. Terrible resale or buy used under 100 hours for 1/2 the cost and have the initial bugs fixed.

This tells me the resale on a Nortrac or Jinma is right down the tubes. Used, is a bargain for anyone with minimal mechanical ability. Parts available for Jinma online, no problem. I bet a lot cheaper than comparable Kubota parts. BTW, if you cannot repair a Kubota you are twice as screwed as with a Jinma. Heck 4 times as screwed with a broken Kubota than if you purchase a used Jinma.

Edit: Correction the 224, 100 hours, with loader needing a pump is asking 5k not 3k, sorry. Been available for a month now. No takers. A Nortrac with 300 hrs just sold for 3.5k with a finish mower. That was dropped from 4k, where there were no takers.

 

[Buggs67]

What I really want to add. there seems to be a local glut of used Jinma and Nortrac around here (New England). Many under 100 hours and others under 400. price seem almost random $3500 to $5000. Some with loaders. Many home owner all ways garaged in minty condition. One with a finish mower. One needing a pump rebuild or replace (that has a zl20 loader and is 3k!) Both 200 and 300 series, take your pick. Dirt cheap-used.

Buy a new chinese and face almost certain early problems. Terrible resale or buy used under 100 hours for 1/2 the cost and have the initial bugs fixed.

This tells me the resale on a Nortrac or Jinma is right down the tubes. Used, is a bargain for anyone with minimal mechanical ability. Parts available for Jinma online, no problem. I bet a lot cheaper than comparable Kubota parts. BTW, if you cannot repair a Kubota you are twice as screwed as with a Jinma. Heck 4 times as screwed with a broken Kubota than if you purchase a used Jinma.

You make interesting points. There is a place for a Chinese tractor. Not for everyone but some will make out well. And buying a new one seems crazy.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

. . . BTW, if you cannot repair a Kubota you are twice as screwed as with a Jinma. Heck 4 times as screwed with a broken Kubota than if you purchase a used Jinma.

Why? I don't understand the logic.

 

[GManBart]

Why? I don't understand the logic.

Short version....he bought a used Kubota that he thinks may have issues with the HST, and wasn't happy with the dealer's response when he talked to them about it.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

Short version....he bought a used Kubota that he thinks may have issues with the HST, and wasn't happy with the dealer's response when he talked to them about it.

Ok. Good to have the back story. So, by his logic, Kubota sucks and you are much better off buying a chinese tractor. :confused2: Now I understand the story, but I still don't understand the logic. :laughing:

 

[motownbrowne]

The logic was that the Chinese tractors are simpler, thus easier to fix than a Kubota. I would point out that there are simple Kubotas too, they aren't all hst with bells and whistles.

That said, Kubotas hydrostatic transmissions are very well renowned, and I wouldn't trade mine for a gear.

 

[johnk]

Bottom line here is you get what you pay for. The low dollars of a Chinese tractor might seem like a great deal but down the road the down time and resale value should be a factor. I owned a Chinese and all I did was work on it and waited for another part to malfunction. Time is money to e and I like turning the key and getting the job done.

 

[enginesludge]

The logic, which admittedly a stretch, is a Kubota is a LOT more money up front. If the tractor goes south that is much more of a loss to swallow.

I had two experiences with dealers. The guy I purchase from was a back yard resale person who took the tractor as partial trade on something else- Not a real dealer. The real dealer approached for parts and service have been a pretty mixed experience.

My back ground includes owning, old Case, Caterpillar and IHC along with new Ford/New Holland. All as a hobby/individual, build my own home, maintain some acreage. I mowed with an old Gravely walk behind for about 20 years. That worked out fine, repairs and all, but lot more physical effort. As I got older, decided I prefer to sit.

I am far from a great mechanic and make mistakes for sure. I get by. The biggest challenge I have faced is this Kubota HST drive. Even there, it has worked for 5 years. Not well, but good enough. I am 100% confident I could fix any reasonable issue with an older gear drive. Like a clutch, which is PIA but doable. I just retired, looking at a that POS Kubota, and thinking Chinese.

I got some great advise on this forum and maybe the Kubota has a chance. That includes starting with filter and screen up to a rather complex debug flow chart. No dealer provided any such help or advise. I never needed help with the old tractors.

I had a very simple issue with fuel on the Kubota. Sorry I forget a filter or loose connection to pump? Hours to access the part under the deck. I also looked at the fan and cleaned the rear axle. These parts were very difficult to access, require tedious sheet metal removal. The Chinese stuff, really looks simple. I see exact same issue with new cars and trucks. I been sitting on road side, no start - no clue, **** computer POed at me?

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

Ok, I understand your logic now. And, yes, new tractors and cars are a mixed blessing. They are much more reliable than the old stuff we had 40 or 50 years ago. But when you DO have a problem on one of these new ones, it's a LOT more complicated to diagnose and repair.

I used to do a lot of my own work on my cars. Not any more. I open the hood, look at it and think "what's all that stuff?". And then close the hood and call the repair shop.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Logic can quickly get mixed with emotions. As I get older the more it seems emotions rule the day and we wind us trying to find logic at supports our emotional decisions.

New green or orange takes a bite out of retirement accounts. New China stuff less of a bite up front and long term is iffy in some cases. New like used (under 400 hours) can be iffy value wise over buying it new in some cases.

For the hobby types (tractor not running does not stop you from having money for food and shelter) like myself it just boils down on how much of your retirement account you want parked around the place. For those of us who grew up running small gas tractors 80 hours a week every spring old iron is hard to beat because we know how to get the job down with a small 2WD tractor that requires next to not repairs even when 40 years old. Had a friend at picked up a nice straight 245 MF with a FEL with a fully powered bucket and lift only arms. He took off the sheet metal and repainted it and it looks better than in a show room in the 70's and he loves it. Today in our area picking up a Ford 800,2000-4000 series or 135-165 or 235-265 MF seems to be the sweet spot and with normal care and service your estate should be able to sell them for more than you paid 20 years earlier.

It is my thought when it comes to tractors do as one wishes within ones budget. Making a mistake on a tractor selection is not as costly has making a mistake on spouse selection.