OUTRAGE!! (rant)

Anonymous Poster · Jan 9, 2001

What the h--- is wrong with some people? ( No,.. never mind- I don't even care. EXCUSES NOT ACCEPTED!)

Recently here in the NW, a young (14?) boy soaked a small kitten in diesel,... and set it on fire!

Then just yesterday I saw on the news that 4 "young men", 16 yrs. and older, had taped a dog's muzzle shut with duct-tape, and "tortured" it with firecrackers (details not given...use your imagination, if you can take it)!

My response to this is too strong and too primitive to allow me to accept all the "Oh, the poor confused boys!" wailing that always follows this sort of thing. Anger can sometimes be quite clearly understood, and I wouldn't be shy or polite about expressing it.

Here's why they're NOT confused... They don't sleep on railroad tracks. Why? Because they KNOW that the train will run over them...no questions asked!

They don't rest by leaning on bright orange burners on the electric stove. Why? Because they KNOW it will burn them, every time, ...no exceptions!

They do these CRIMINAL things ( "sick' things? ... of course, but every criminal could be considered sick by some standard, if what we want to do is free everyone from all responsibility for their actions) because :

(A) They (stupidly believe they won't be caught, ...and
(B) They know that if they are, someone is likely to bend-over-backwards to find a way to accept any BS excuse, rather than face up to the need for disciplining these creeps. (THIS is what our "system HAS taught them!)

Isn't it interesting how "Bleeding hearts" always point to "surveys" showing that most prisoners say that punishment isn't a deterence to crime. DUH! Hello! These are the guys who WERE NOT DETERRED! [see(A) and (B), above]

There are plenty of people on the street who ARE DETERRED,...by their own character and principles, or by a wish to STAY on the street. Ask THEM if punishment is a deterrence!!

I am so simple-minded as to be confident that I could help these "slow-learners" catch-on very quickly. All they need is to understand that there will be SWIFT (as quickly as we can catch them) and CERTAIN, UNPLEASANT CONSEQUENCES, which nothing-they-can-say (once their guilt is established) will prevent.

I don't care if they never had a color tv, or a birthday party, or a bicycle, or the latest $150 sneakers, or a Daddy. (They still learned about the train and the stove didn't they?)

They can d...-well behave like civilized human beings, just like the millions of other "disadvantaged" among us, or suffer (this is the "active" word) the consequences.

Besides, these vicious characters turn ME vicious... which is not really the way I like to feel. (It's a dirty job, but SOMEBODY has to be willing to do it...because if they know we're not - game over!). A "clinical","detached", "objective", or "measured" response to these types of atrocities is completely unnatural and phoney. When I hear of something, like this I am INVOLVED PERSONALLY, simply because I am a human being, and if and when I am able to do anything about it, there is going to be d... little "understanding" wasted on these jerks!

Sorry for the overflowing anger,... just needed to vent, I guess. Hope someone out there agrees with me.

If you don't, and are thinking of praying for me, don't do it... you've probably done enough harm already /w3tcompact/icons/mad.gif!

Larry

bpence · Jan 9, 2001

Larry, you got to come out of your shell and express your feelings. Holding back is not good.

It's not the guy & girls out on the streets catching the bad guys - they work hard and put it all on the line every day. It's the "justice" system that seems to be drifting way to far to the left. Where's Judge Roy Bean when you really need him?

Bob Pence

WVBill · Jan 9, 2001

RIGHT ON!

Yes, I meant to shout it!

It starts at a very early age - when the toddler is acting up and mommy or daddy simply says "Now Jimmy, do you want a time out when we get home?".

What ever happened to:
"NO!"....{activity continues}...."NO!"....{activity continues}...WHAP! (sound of hand on butt). Child wails for a while but quickly learns what Larry pointed out...CONSEQUENCES.

The flip side to this is the child who is never recognized for their good acts. Never given praise or hugs. That child learns that there are no good "consequences" for good acts and that bad acts at least bring recognition.

Parenting and family. That's the key

But the "establishment" doesn't help either. It continues in the first years of school when the teaching philosophy is "It's better to let them express themselves than to force rules like correct spelling on them." Ever hear of "Ebonics"? But then, who is "the establishment"?

And on and on...

I'm with you 100%

WVBill

RobertN · Jan 9, 2001

All of this about right on target. People have gotten away with too much for too long. They think they can do anything, and at the same time, nobody is held responsible. There's too much lack of respect.

The bigger question is, how to change this. I'm guesing there's at least two generations of changes needed.

RobertN in Shingle Springs Calif

markcg2000 · Jan 9, 2001

Well known fact that almost all serial (killers/rapists) start out with animal torture. Not that animal torture leads to serial violence, but I think people have to realize this level of sickness is not some sort of "phase". Not a biblical man by any means, but I do think well of "..an eye for an eye..."

mark

cowboydoc · Jan 9, 2001

Couldn't agree more. The stuff I see and have to report on a weekly basis would make your hair stand on end and I'm not even in family care practice. The abuse that parents put their kids through to play sports and such it's no wonder some of them turn out the way that they do. We should be tougher on parents and kids alike. I know kids through sports and treating them here that have gone through hell growing up and they turn out to be model citizens and I know other kids who are given the world and turn into criminals. I don't buy all the bad home crap because I've seen kids from bad homes go good and vice versa. I agree we talk too much and no action. I've talked to kids in trouble to try and help them out with sports programs and they don't care about getting into trouble. They just say it doesn't matter until I'm 18 they'll just send me home. Until they've screwed up major by killing someone then we think about doing something. Now about that John Deere...
Richard

rekees · Jan 9, 2001

>>What the h--- is wrong with some people?<<
The answer is TV. Watch the Saturday morning "cartoons" on network TV sometime and it's obvious why kids have been brainwashed into thinking violence is acceptable.

Chuck in IN

Anonymous Poster · Jan 9, 2001

I know Bob... repression makes me too subtle.
Glad you were perceptive enough to catch-my-drift!

or;

No one ever listens to me unless I hit them with an axe...it's not my fault (nothing is)!

/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif Larry

Bird · Jan 9, 2001

As a rookie cop, we were taught that for punishment to be effective, it had to be "swift" and "certain"; not necessarily harsh. I still tend to believe that, but I'm afraid in our society, and with our judicial system, it's certainly not "swift" anymore and it ain't too "certain" either./w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif

Bird

Rowski · Jan 9, 2001

My wife is a behavoir interventionist for kids and parents between the ages of 0-6, so this is right up her alley. She may like to coment on this when she gets home.

I agree 100%. It all comes down to parents and family. But between parents and family comes RESPECT and RESPONSIBILITY and UNDERSTANDING. That is about as much as I dare say for my knowledge is very lacking in this area.

Hope my wife comes home soon /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif.

Derek