Paying It Forward -- BCS 852

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MauiHoss

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Wailuku, HI
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Kioti DK35, Kubota ZD21, BCS 852, Troybilt Horse
We are the proud owners of a new BCS852 with quick-coupling to a BCS/Del Morino 26 brush mower from Earth Tools Earth Tools - Walk-Behind Tractors - (502) 484-3988 (see photos)

We bought this to replace a DR Brush Mower we bought used about 10 years ago. I'll never forget the guy we bought it from who asked if he could mow just a couple more passes before we loaded it up on the truck. We'd made the deal and he was already missing his mower it was a good sign. The DR was a trooper but not without her issues. By the time we retired it, the deck was falling apart due to the rust from the salt/sea environment here. Yeah, nobody's crying about "poor us" living on Maui. The idler pulley mount was held on with coat hanger wire and we'd haphazardly welded up the deck over time to squeak a little more life from the old gal. IIRC we had to change the blade drive v-belt once, repair the differential and only recently broke one blade in all those years.

Back to the new BCS Our first impressions of the new machine are quite positive. Buying sight unseen over the internet gives one pause but reading reviews on TractorByNet and a dearth of information on the Earth Tools site was quite convincing. Joel was very helpful on the phone to make sure that we were getting the correct tool for the job mowing down cane grass. Since the primary function of this tractor will be powering a front-mounted mower, the BCS852 seemed the best choice. That gives us fourth gear with the handlebars over the engine. The BCS 853 is just the opposite having high gear only with the handlebars over the implement.

Earth Tools worked up a shipping quote and made all the arrangements which can be daunting when shipping to the islands. Within a few weeks everything arrived well packed and easily set up. Fluids all topped up (I double checked) and fittings greased.

To my surprise, there was a spare set of blades and a spare rubber deflector for the mower deck included. It was super easy to un-box and hook up the mower with the quick-connect. I can see why this is such an important accessory if you plan to swap implements. Perhaps a tiller is in our future. Our old Troy Horse roto-tiller is OK but well worn.

Since we have a harsh sea-salt climate to deal with we're building the new tractor a shed. Before using the new BCS we waxed everything we could get at. That probably sounds crazy considering how it will be thrashed but a little extra protection will buy some time. Unlike most equipment sold these days, the Honda engine has many steel parts so seeing a metal fuel tank and lid was a mild shock. The rest of the tractor seems sturdy and built to last as well. Earth Tools recommended the debris guard for the air intake. Seeing how the engine is situated on the tractor with the intake somewhat near to the ground this was good advice and worth the investment.

In terms of prep work, the only thing I found to do was tighten a couple cable nuts on the handlebars. I sprayed some corrosion block on the battery terminals and some dry moly on the pivot bolts of the mower blades. All-in-all, Earth Tools did a great job making sure everything was working, safely packed for a Pacific voyage and communicated well throughout the process.

Mower Del Morino Brush vs. Flail: we choose the brush mower because of our experience using a flail mower on our big tractor. The flail mower on the big tractor tends to wrap the tall grasses around the mower. Perhaps this wouldn't be the case with the little flail mower on a walk-behind. The old DR Brush Mower seemed to handle these woody grasses pretty well. There are also rock walls around the patches we're planning to keep tamed so flipper blades on the brush hog style mower seemed a better choice. Time will tell assuming it stops raining long enough for us to find out.

Thank you to all who've contributed here on TractorByNet. I hope that this write-up will help the next newb like me.

MauiHoss
 

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   / Paying It Forward -- BCS 852 #3  
MauiHoss, our company did a corrosion test about five years ago where we subjected electric motors to a continuous 100% humidity environment. The untreated motor died at two weeks. The WD-40 treated motor died at two months. The Strike Hold treated motor was still going at six months when we stopped the test. We use Strike Hold on any metals exposed to humid, corrosive conditions.

Amazon.com: Strike Hold CLP 10.3oz Can: Sports & Outdoors
 
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Excellent write up. Did you consider the Grillo 107d or the BCS with Powersafe?

Great idea with the wax to fight the salt.

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Hoss, looks like you did good, that thing will last almost forever. That should do the job, is the grass in your second picture your intended target? Would like to see some pictures of the result.
 
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MauiHoss, our company did a corrosion test about five years ago where we subjected electric motors to a continuous 100% humidity environment. The untreated motor died at two weeks. The WD-40 treated motor died at two months. The Strike Hold treated motor was still going at six months when we stopped the test. We use Strike Hold on any metals exposed to humid, corrosive conditions.

Amazon.com: Strike Hold CLP 10.3oz Can: Sports & Outdoors

I will be checking our local stores for this stuff. I'm sure we could use it on a lot of our equipment. Good tip!
 
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Excellent write up. Did you consider the Grillo 107d or the BCS with Powersafe?

Great idea with the wax to fight the salt.

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I looked at the Grillos but decided on the BCS because there are more of them sold which means parts will be that much easier to find when necessary. Not that finding parts for the Grillo would be difficult necessarily but BCS has a bigger footprint in the market.
 
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Hoss, looks like you did good, that thing will last almost forever. That should do the job, is the grass in your second picture your intended target? Would like to see some pictures of the result.

That's the easy part to mow. Here's a better photo of the trouble maker...P1050374.jpg

You can see it's about 6-10' tall at the moment. Somewhere in that mess is the old DR waiting to be rescued. If I can manage it, I'll try to put together a video of the Del Morino in action. There aren't many videos of it on the net. I'm looking forward to seeing how maneuverable the BCS is and how that compares to my experience with the DR. The DR was good for getting into and out of reverse without changing the blade direction. Don't know yet how the BCS w/a Del Morino handles the PTO in reverse. Dang rain!
 
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I will be checking our local stores for this stuff. I'm sure we could use it on a lot of our equipment. Good tip!

MauiHoss, you won't likely find StrikeHold in your local stores with the exception of gun shops. StrikeHold is popular with gun owners as it was originally developed by a former special forces guy for use on firearms. We buy it online in mass quantities.
 
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Our neighbor, AKA -- the big farmer up the hill -- has a pair of Ferrari four wheelers for harvesting Mac Nuts. I think those are put together by MacMaster in Australia. The driving position is turned 180 degrees toward the back-end to accommodate the harvestor. Pretty cool machines.
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Re: Paying It Forward -- BCS 852 (Video Link)

Here's a little video of my roommate running the BCS852 with a 26" Del Morino Brush Mower. It's a beast!

BCS With Del Morino Brush Mower In Action - YouTube

We also tried tackling some of the tall stuff that hasn't been mowed in over a year. We had some trouble with the terrain but the engine never bogged down. I'm sure we'll get the hang of it in time.

The biggest problem I ran into was going over dips/ruts in the ground. The engine would bottom out when the wheels hit the low spot while the mower deck would hang up on the other side. To be fair, the grass was a little wet still and the flex point of the mower deck had slipped to a nose down position. I've readjusted the flex point on the Del Morino to a slightly nose-up position so we'll give it another try tomorrow. This was rarely a problem with the old DR Brush Mower since the engine is mounted up higher than the BCS. That's unfortunate as we're trying to mow four or five taro patches which are 1-3' elevation change from one to the next.

BTW -- the debris guard did a great job of keeping clippings out of the intake. I'm still not clear if the direction of the PTO changes when shifting to reverse. It seemed to handle rough mowing in either direction pretty well all things considered.

Enjoy the video.:dance1:
 
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Re: Paying It Forward -- BCS 852 (Video Link)

Congratulations on the new machine. I'm sure you'll be very happy with it for years to come.

I was afraid you'd have the issue with hanging up. The length of the deck sticking out is my biggest annoyance with the Del Morino mowers. Did Joel or Chris mention that you can buy taller tires to add clearance under the engine? I usually mention it when selling a machine as it only adds $50 to the cost of the machine when sold as an option. 2 inch taller tires add an inch under the unit and increase tire foot print. It doesn't sound like a lot, but it does help. They also add ground speed and change the angle of attack on attachments, which can be a positive or a negative, depending on attachment.

Another option is a sickle mower. It doesn't stick out as far and is less likely to hang up, but it also doesn't chop up the material. It lays it down like a hay field.

PTO rotation is the same on the BCS, regardless of direction.
 
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Re: Paying It Forward -- BCS 852 (Video Link)

Congratulations on the new machine. I'm sure you'll be very happy with it for years to come.

I was afraid you'd have the issue with hanging up. The length of the deck sticking out is my biggest annoyance with the Del Morino mowers. Did Joel or Chris mention that you can buy taller tires to add clearance under the engine? I usually mention it when selling a machine as it only adds $50 to the cost of the machine when sold as an option. 2 inch taller tires add an inch under the unit and increase tire foot print. It doesn't sound like a lot, but it does help. They also add ground speed and change the angle of attack on attachments, which can be a positive or a negative, depending on attachment.

Another option is a sickle mower. It doesn't stick out as far and is less likely to hang up, but it also doesn't chop up the material. It lays it down like a hay field.

PTO rotation is the same on the BCS, regardless of direction.

Joel may have mentioned taller tires but I don't remember that. It would definitely help. I'm pretty sure that he asked me if I didn't want the flail mower but I was head-strong on the brush mower. We didn't want the sickle mower because of the nature of this grass -- it will grow from the cut stalks just laying on the ground.

Good to know about the PTO rotation -- thanks for that!
 
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Re: Paying It Forward -- BCS 852 (Video Link)

Hi MauiHoss :)

Congratulation with your new tractor and your mower. Poor you having to live on Maui ;)

Looking at your video, it looks like you have some serious mowing to do. It is good to see your roommate wearing ear-protection; sadly, that is often overlooked when working with 2-wheel tractors.

As mentioned by Joel on his homepage - and by some of us in this and other threads, I can only recommend the tallest possible tires, when working with a mower. On the BCS 852 that means 6.5x12x23", as the cylinder head of the Honda engine will not allow taller tires without axel-extensions.

I got my BCS 740, which - except for clutch, handlebars and blue plastic bits - are very similar to yours, with the standard 5x10x20" wheels. Had I known then, that I would get a mower later on, I would have opted for the taller tires in the first place. They make a lot of difference, and much more than one would expect looking at the numbers alone.

Due to the way they are designed, BCS-style tractors have less ground clearance than for instance the Honda-style ones; and especially so, if they are fitted with small wheels. On the other hand, they are less prone to tip over on slopes, due to their lower center of gravity.

Watching your video, I would expect you to have around 4" of ground clearance under your engine. Changing to the bigger wheels, will only raise the driving axle some 1 1/2", but because you are then able to tilt the PTO-flange upwards on the mower, while still maintaining the deck parallel to the ground, you will end up with some 8" of ground clearance under the engine - almost double!

Thank you for the video.


Best regards

Jens
 

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