PBS Show on Credit Cards

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Did anyone watch the PBS show on credit cards? If not, go to http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/
and review the show "The Secret History of Credit Cards" you will then understand how the credit card industry is/has been screwing the US public with 25-35% interest rates. The show will be available on line for viewing this Friday after 5 PM. It is must see TV!!!! If you have high school or college students, have them watch the program. It is something that they need to understand to get through life. Nothing is free in this world and it must be paid for. Never pay the minimum payment, it will take you 35 years to pay off the loan!

That low introductory rate they say they will give you can change if you are late on any other loan or card you have with ANOTHER company it is called "Universal Default" read the contract fine print and if you see this term, which you will, BEWARE of the trap.

Below is just one section from the web site:

Even if you make your credit card payments on time, the credit card bank can raise your interest rate automatically if you're late on payments elsewhere -- such as on another credit card or on a phone, car, or house payment -- or simply because the bank feels you have taken on too much debt.

This practice is called the "universal default" clause and increasingly is becoming a standard clause in credit card agreements. According to credit card executives, the logic behind universal default is that the bank is not being unreasonable in raising rates when it has reason to believe that the risk of being repaid by the customer has increased. [Note: Credit card banks can now easily track your everyday financial activities and monitor your credit score -- see below.]


» Your credit score -- known as a FICO score -- has become a vital statistic for many Americans and can be widely shared. It is used to determine how much you can borrow, how much you pay for life insurance, if you can rent a home, and, as already noted, it can be a factor in determining the interest rate you pay on a credit card.

Most Americans don't know what their credit score is, nor how it's computed and with whom it's shared. Your credit score is usually determined by five factors, with the most important being the amount you currently owe and your payment history on large debts.

» There is no limit on the amount a credit card company can charge a cardholder for being even an hour late with a payment.

In 1996, the U.S. Supreme Court in Smiley vs. Citibank lifted the existing restrictions on late penalty fees. Back then, fees ran to $5 or $10, and usually did not exceed $15. After the Court's decision, fees soared, reaching upwards of $30. Since then, the amount of revenue the companies generate from fees (including late charges, over-the-limit fees, and charges for returned checks) has doubled. Duncan MacDonald, one of the lawyers who worked on the Smiley case, predicts penalty fees could rise to $50 in another year.


» It's important to read the fine print on your credit card agreement.

Not many people do, however. Even credit card executives and consumer advocates admitted to FRONTLINE that the last time they read their own contracts was years ago and the credit card agreement is difficult to understand. Tucked into the fine print that people so often ignore is a clause that allows the company to change your interest rate (APR) at any time, for any reason, as long as they give you 15 days' notice. (So, Read the Fine Print.)


» Many Americans are inattentive about their credit card accounts.

Approximately 35 million Americans pay only the required minimum -- as low as 2 percent -- of their balance each month. Sticking to that rate, it could take years to clear their debt and they'll end up paying far more than the cost of the items or services they bought.

However, many of these 35 million cardholders could pay more than the minimum, and could possibly even pay off in full their balance some months. But they don't -- even though the interest rate they are paying on their credit card balance is considerably higher than what they pay on other things and compared to what they're getting in interest income from their savings account. Is this "financial illiteracy," or just human beings' "irrational behavior?"

» There is no federal limit on the interest rate a credit card company can charge.

If you've ever looked at the return address on your statement, you may notice your credit card issuer is located in a state such as South Dakota or Delaware. That's because these are the states that have either weak or no "usury laws" meaning there is no cap on the interest rate that is charged. The federal government once had national usury laws that set a cap on the amount of interest that could be charged on a loan. But after the Great Depression, it repealed them and some states put no new ursury laws in place. That's why Citibank, the issuer of Mastercard, moved to South Dakota, which has no cap on interest rates.

Poll: What's Your Balance?

The average American household is carrying a credit card balance of $7500 to $8,000. What's yours?

Which Are You?

Here's the credit card industry's jargon for its customer categories:

"Revolvers" roll credit card balances over month to month, never paying in full.

"Deadbeats" pay their balances off in full every month.

"Rate Surfers" or "Gamers" shift usage between credit cards based upon interest rates.

» Significant credit card debt can put you at a markedly higher risk of bankruptcy.

Going bankrupt usually isn't the result of spending sprees. It's more commonly triggered by job loss, medical problems, or a divorce. Those hit by any of these misfortunes often turn to credit cards to stay float. But if they have trouble finding new sources of income or an illness keeps them off the job, they often cannot pay off their debt quickly, especially if their interest rate is high. "They get their feet tangled up in those high interest rates," says bankruptcy expert Elizabeth Warren, "and they just get sunk."
 
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I caught the last half of it and it was excellent. Anyone who uses credit cards should check the link above.

Many years ago I was in the credit card "trap". Much of what I was paying for was 'impulse' items I bought because I saw something and it was so easy to pull the credit card out of my wallet and buy it.

One day I was in a fishing tackle store and looked down and saw about 5 fishing lures in my hand. It was like a flash of sanity. I didn't even realize that I had picked them up. I didn't need them, I already had lots of lures I didn't use. At that instant, I made up my mind to do something about the way I was spending money.

I put the credit cards and checkbook in a metal box in the trunk of my car. If I wanted to buy something I had to leave the store, go to the parking lot, open the trunk, get into the metal box (which was a little bit difficult to open), get the card, go back to the store and make the purchase.

I carried only enough cash to pay for lunch or gas or whatever other unavoidable expenses I anticipated on a given day.

I was amazed at how often I saw something that I would have bought if I had the card (or cash or checkbook) in my pocket but would not go to all the effort to get the credit card to buy it.

Even if I headed for the car it gave me time to think about what I was doing and I would end up driving away instead of going back in the store.

That was the beginning of my escape from a life of worrying how I was going to pay my bills every month.

I challenge anyone who is in debt to try the above system for 6 months and then tell us what the results are.

Bill Tolle
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( "Deadbeats" pay their balances off in full every month )</font>

/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gifI've heard the term used for those who don't pay their bills, but never for those who do. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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That is good information. I personally was raised with the strict belief that "if you can't afford to pay for it, don't buy it". I have always used credit cards for the convenience and safety, but pay off the entire balance each month. However, it has only recently come to my attention that credit card companies do not like people like me. I recently received a letter from a now ex credit card company telling me that I would now have to have an "annual fee", because I never carried a balance and always paid my total amount at the end of each month. I was shocked! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

After realizing that they were serious, I immediately unceremoniously dropped them and went with another company. Two months into having my "new" credit card, I received a "$35.00 minimum fee" on one of my bills. What!!? I called the company to inquire as to "their mistake". Apparently on my statement, the balance due was $XXX.07. Because of some reason, my balance due was on a crease in the statement. I thought that the ".07" was a ".01"; so I paid $XXX.01 with my statement. They claimed that I carried my balance over, in my case it was .06 (six cents), and they charged me $35.00 for that for a minimum fee!!! On the phone they gave me some line that they would waive it one time for me being a valued customer bla bla bla. I'd already begun cutting up their card while I was on the phone with them.

This last time, I actually had to read all the fine print on each offer I considered, and then call the company to inquire about their policies before I went with another company. I won't name the company, because I do not want to promote any particular company. In my case, I always use a company that gives me frequent flier miles for my charged dollars. Since I use my credit card quite a bit for my business, I always get a free trip for me and my wife each year with those miles. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I'm still shocked at the balance the show says the "average" American carries in credit card debt. I totally agree with the show in that, if you carry a credit card balance, you should pay it off as soon as possible. It may very well be the most expensive drain on your budget there is with their super high interest rates. They give some good advice. My advice is to check your statement closely each month. On several occassions I've found bogus charges on my account. Each time, my credit card company has removed the charges without any hassle. Beware, and pay 'em off!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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I guess I am just old school when it comes to debt. I don't like it. I don't much like credit cards, but I have 3 regular credit cards. 2 are used for business and each is used for different types of expenses to make my book keeping easier. One is used only for personal use, and generally is used for travel, gift purchases, etc. I tend to think that a credit card is supposed to be a convenience thing that allows me to buy what I can already afford in a convenient way. I don't think it is wise to consider it a loan that allows me to buy what I can't afford right now because I may get a great deal on that item I buy, but the outrageous interest charged if I don't pay it off will wipe out any deal that I could have gotten.

Then there is my brother in law, he couldn't afford to buy a BMW so he leased one. And he couldn't afford the big down payment on a Land Rover, so he leased one. And he couldn't afford a new refridgerator, so he charged it. And I just have to ask myself if he had downgraded his cars a bit, saved up a down payment, and bought one conventionally, then he could have kept it longer and saved his money and had enough left over to pay cash for the refridgerator.

I think it is a mind set issue.

But nobody really teaches kids the dangers of credit and so they grow up to become clueless adults and get into trouble.

Now I am not saying that many people don't have financial trouble that is legitimate and caused by emergencies, but what I am saying is that many people, like my brother in law (who by the way is a bright guy & a lawyer) are financially clueless and end up creating their financial emergencies by living just beyond their means. And if they do that, even for 6 months, they can end up paying off those bills for the next 10 years!
 
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I, too, got into some trouble with credit cards many years back. When I first started my business and hadn't established any lines of credit, it was easy to use a credit card to finance some inventory or a new tool, and even easier to put off the payment in full for that item if something else was also "needed". Finally, I wised up, managed to get everything paid off, and vowed never to use a credit card again!

But, in today's world, it's difficult to conduct many transactions without a credit card. They're much easier to use for rentals and hotels, for online ordering, for ease in oaying for restaurant meals, and to avoid carrying so much cash. The answer? A Visa Debit Card from my bank. I opened a seperate checking account, and plan my purchases ahead of time. Because it's a debit card, the money has to be in the bank or the transaction won't be approved. But, because it looks and acts like a credit card, I can use it for on-line purchases, rentals, etc.

I can transfer money into that account via my bank's on-line services. I keep a small balance in the account so a very few impulse and emergency purchases will go through, but plan every other purchase. Before I can buy something, I have to go home, transfer the money from one account to another, then go back. It has to be something I really want or need to go through that.

It does take a bit of planning -- if you are using it to rent a truck or equipment, for example, you have to have enough money in the account for them to cover the additional "lock-up" funds. If you don't know what these are, folks like rental outfits or those who take reservations willl lock up enough additional money to cover typical charges (like additional miles or additional charges to a hotel room), then release those funds at the time of the final settlement if you didn't expend them.

Now, I have no debt. I have no credit card bill to pay. I know exactly what my financial status is from day to day. I also do without a lot of things I might otherwise have purchased without really needing them. I find I use the card for almost everything, so I have a record of where my money went -- this is better than cash which seems to "disappear" without remembering where it went.

All in all, my life is much better, more organized and simplified, and I'm a lot better off with the simple change to a debit card that looks like a credit card.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I guess I am just old school when it comes to debt. I don't like it. I don't much like credit cards, but I have 3 regular credit cards. 2 are used for business and each is used for different types of expenses to make my book keeping easier. One is used only for personal use,...)</font>

You and I think alike Bob. I use two creit cards; one for business and one personal. I pay them off every month and get cash rebates to boot. It's way easier to pay one bill than to carry cash for things like gasoline, groceries, and tractor parts.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Then there is my brother in law, he couldn't afford to buy a BMW so he leased one. And he couldn't afford the big down payment on a Land Rover, so he leased one. And he couldn't afford a new refridgerator, so he charged it. And I just have to ask myself if he had downgraded his cars a bit, saved up a down payment, and bought one conventionally, then he could have kept it longer and saved his money and had enough left over to pay cash for the refridgerator.)</font>

Are you related to my little sister too? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif She and my BIL make more money than I do, but spend it way faster than they can make it - new cars, new furniture, etc. every other year, and a bigger house every time they can barely afford it. Now, when their kids are of an age to want to go to college, they are almost bankrupt - lost their huge house, credit so bad they can't lease or buy a car, and owe both sets of parents huge sums of money they will never repay. They are renting a dump of a tiny house now, and still can't figure out why we have the same old furniture and cars but have no debt and can afford a nice place in the country. They get real defensive if you try to explain it to them so I don't try any more. If they can't learn from hard knocks I guess they never will.

Bottom line: more money does not solve financial problems, only self-discipline can help them. Today especially, I'm thankful that I learned that a long time ago, and to be happy with what I've got.

Pete, the "deadbeat".
 
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<font color="blue"> I've heard the term [deadbeat] used for those who don't pay their bills, but never for those who do. </font>

Bird, matter of perspective i think.

If someone owes you money, and doesn't pay you, you think he is a deadbeat.

If you are a credit card company that is charging high interest rates, and someone takes away the opportunity of charging high rates, by paying off monthly before interest can be charged, you call him a deadbeat, because he is beating you out of the interest you could have charged him had he not paid up...

No thanks at all for the percentage of the sale that the credit card company collects each time you use their card..I put money in their pockets by using my credit card and they call me a deadbeat. Figures...
 
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My balance is zero. I have no credit cards. I have a single debit via with no credit line. If I dont have it in the bank, I dont buy it.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( matter of perspective i think )</font>

I guess so. We use credit cards for nearly everything; only rarely write a check or use cash, but only one month in the last 15 years have I let any of the balance on one run over into the next month. I knew I'd heard that as far as your credit rating goes, just paying the minimum on time was as good as paying in full or more than the minimum, and I guess that's true.
 

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