Permanent Grill

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dr3131

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Has anyone seen/built a permanent grill for the patio. My wife and I are building our house and would like a permanent grill installed. I envision a brick structure with a stainless insert. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
dr3131
 
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Send a message to OKEEDON, he built outdoor kitchens in a former life.

I built one at my pool house and installed a Weber Silver series into a ceramic tile counter that is about 8' long and is attached to the outside of the pool house. I would strongly suggest that you make sure you have a lot of counter space around your grill because that area will serve as a nice buffet counter when you have parties. Because of my climate, we have a refrigerator and microwave inside the pool house, installed in regular kitchen cabinets, but the grill is outside and other than a couple of minor cracks in some of the ceramic tile, there has been no problems with the exposure to the weather over the past 6 years.

I do wish the counter space was longer, 8' is simply not enough. We are lucky to have additional counter space inside the pool house, but it would have been better if we had set the grill into a 12' long counter. Hindsight is always 20/20. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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I'm hoping to do something similar Bob. I will build the patio (brick with short brick walls surrounding) this summer. Do you think I could add the counters etc. sometime down the road or should it all be built at once?

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My pool house was in place for a year or more before I added the exterior extention to it.

I don't see why you can't add it later. I did.
 
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As Bob said, I did this for a living until I retired a couple of years ago. Attached is a picture of one of our simpler designs.

Planning is one of the biggest components. If you want a sink, you'll have to have both water and drain. If you want an under-counter fridge, you'll need an outlet under the cabinet. If your grill has a rotisserie, you'll need an outlet above the cabinet.

We were never happy with any of the conventional ways of building an outdoor kitchen cabinet, so we invented our own. Wood will burn, rot and attract critters. Cement block is too heavy, too messy, and too thick -- takes up valuable storage space under the cabinet. Brick is fine, but it doesn't fit the Florida decor -- we built hundreds of cabinets, and not once did someone ask us for a brick look, even though brick would have been their first choice, up North.

Instead, what we did was fabricate a frame for the cabinet from welded square tubing aluminum. Once that frame was installed, we attached a "skin" of HardiPanel, a cementious exterior siding. Over that, we applied a veneer of whatever "look" the customer wanted. The attached picture has a stucco cabinet in a sand finish, with a granite counter top. It has a bar sink. refrigerator, and 2 stainless access doors for storage. The grill is a Dynasty, made by the folks who make kitchen ranges, etc. of the same name. They're one of the Maytag companies. It's a fairly high-end unit, costing about $2400 in this size. There are two bigger sizes that go up to about $3600 and $4800 (for the grill). This is fairly typical, but there are some units down in the $1,000 price range, but not in stainless. The lowest price stainless built-in grill that I could recommend would be about $1700.

The doors range from $200 to $400 each, depending on size, who makes them, etc. Sideburners are available. The fridge can be either high end or low end. A U-line or Marvel will set you back about $1500 or so, but are SS and rated for outdoor use. A Danby will cost about $250, have a SS door, probably not last as long as the high-end units, but you can buy 6 of them for the same price as the high end unit. Most sinks are standard bar sinks, $40 or so (plus faucet) from HD..

I almost forgot -- if you will be putting the grill under a porch roof, you will have to give serious thought to installing a hood. Some building codes require it. The hoods must be powerful -- about 300 CFM for each 20K BTU, with a 600 CFM minimum. We sold Vent-a-hood, which adds squirrel cage blowers @ 300 CFM each to get the desired amount. The hoods can easily cost as much as the grill, plus installation -- usually ducted through the roof or a back wall.

For your brick cabinet, the FireMagic grill folks have a pamphlet available that describes brick construction and would be a good starting point. Click FireMagic, look at their grills, and email them requesting their brick construction pamphlet. It used to be on-line, but I couldn't find it this morning -- but, I'm at my new homesite, using a cell phone interface for the laptop, which is considerably slower than my usual cable connection, and I lose patience easily.
 

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<font color="blue"> Instead, what we did was fabricate a frame for the cabinet from welded square tubing aluminum. Once that frame was installed, we attached a "skin" of HardiPanel, a cementious exterior siding. Over that, we applied a veneer of whatever "look" the customer wanted. </font>

What a great idea Don! Your work looks fantastic, do you want to come up north and do a brick one /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 

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