Please help jinma 224

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jlr224

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Jinma 224 with loader
Hey guys I still have a problem with my factor loader on my 224 Jinma.The trouble is once it heats up my loader won't work un less I turn the wheel side to side or lift up the lever on the 3pt.Using aw 32 level good and the loader works great at any rpm until hot.I'm sorry I don't know much about hydraulics so please be simple.Single control valve lever.Thanks
 
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Sounds like the problem is in the loader valve since the hydraulic pressure goes thru the valve first then out to the priority valve,could be debris,bad o-ring,bad piston.

Tommy
Affordable Tractor Sales
 
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It sounds to me like your safety on the loader valve is misadjusted or stuck. The valves are pretty simple. The main system flow is thru the loader valve to the diverter valve down by your right foot, that diverts oil from the 3PH to steering when you turn the wheel(steering takes priority over 3PH operation). There is always flow in the system. The flow thru the loader valve is re-directed from it's path to the rest of the system and sent to a cylinder when a control lever/joystick is moved. The fluid returning to the loader valve from the other side of the moveing cylinders is sent on to the rest of the hydraulic system. The fluid must always flow so if the loader has too great a load, the safety valve in the loader will open and fluid will bypass the cylinders and go on through the system.

The clue about it working when cold and when turning the wheel or lifting the 3PH once the fluid is hot is interesting. When those systems are used(work is being performed), pressure is placed on the system all the way back to the pump(including the loader valve). If the safety valve in the loader is set too low or is stuck open, cold fluid would not flow thru a partially open safety valve as easilly as warm fluid so when cold, there would be some resistance here and the loader would work but probably not to it's full capacity. As the fluid warms, it flows easier thru the safety and you can't perform any work with the loader. A little back pressure from the steering or 3PH and you again regain some loader ability.

The first place I would look is the safety valve on the loader. Then either get a 0-5000 PSI hydraulic gauge($12 an Northern) and connect it to one of the working ports(one of the lines that goes to a cylinder). To check the pressure that the safety is releasing at or take it to a hydraulic mechanic to work on. Depending on the make of the valve, yo may also need adapters to match a SAE gauge to a metric port.

To check the safety pressure, you start the engine and send pressure to the port with the gauge. Since there will be no flow, the safety will have to open to maintain flow and the gauge will show the pressure at which this is happening. Be sure you move the valve the right way as if you send pressure to the other working port, the cylinders will move and oil returning from the other side of those cylinders will squirt out of the hose you disconnected to attach the gauge. I usually place that hose end in a clean bucket just in case. If the safety release is not set correct, you should be able to adjust it to the proper value. I have seen values for the 200 series between 2000 and 2300 PSI. I set mine for 2000 PSI. If I can't do the job with 2000 PSI, I am using the wrong tool.

The safety valve is a plate or plug held in place with a spring. When the pressure exceeds the spring tension, the valve opens. Some are set with a screw and lock nut that sets tension on the spring or some(such as the safety valve in the 3PH) use washers as shims to set the spring tension. Before wrenching on any hydraulic system, make sure everything is on the ground, nothing is running and no pressure is left in the system(work all the valve controls a few times). Wear safety glasses.

If you think this is beyond your abilities, you could de-install the valve(see above safety precautions:) and take it to a hydraulic shop so a mechanic can check it out, take the whole tractor to a shop or have a mechanic come to you. Most shops should be able to test the valve function and set the safety.
 
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Thanks for your help.It looks like it was a valve with a spring tension and I built it up like you stated.This was very frustrating for a long time so thanks again.
 
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You need to make sure that the safety is not set at too high a pressure(too much spring tension/too many shim washers). That safety valve opens EVERY time you fully extend or retract the cylinders and they stop moveing at their end stops or try and lift too much weight. If it is set at too high a pressure and you stop the loader from moveing in any of these ways, you can/will damage the pump, hoses or quick connect fittings between pump and loader Or the excessive pressure could blow out a cylinder seal, rupture a cylinder case or bend a cylinder/rod or the loader frame itself.

The safety valve in my 3PH control valve was set too high from the factory. I inadvertantly restricted the flow into the 3PH cylinder by closing down the 3PH speed control valve too far. This tried to send most of the fluid back to the rear quick connect found on my 284 tractor. Because the safety was set too high, the overall system pressure all the way back to the pump would exceed 3000 PSI when the engine was at PTO RPM and I lifted the 5' brushhog on the 3PH. I got lucky and this only blew out the "O" ring seals in the loader control valve and poured oil onto my right boot every time I tried to lift the 3PH. If those "O" rings hadn't let go, I would have eventually damaged my pump(blown out seals and or cracked pump case) or blown up something else in the system between the pump and that safety valve. I may have shortened the ife of the pump because of this problem. That 3PH safety had a whole bunch of shim washers in it and using a hydraulic pressure gauge connected to the rear quick connect(used to power a dump trailer cylinder) I had to remove all the washers to get the pressure that it opened at down near 2000 PSI.
 

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