Plowing with R4s

[Reg]

I know, R1s are best for field work (-:
OK, given THAT...

Have any of you figured out the best wheel setting for a 2 x 14 plow on the Large frame (38, 42, 47) Kukjes ?
Can you get the right side wheels "just right" in the furrow ?

I've switched the wheel centers around, but it looks like there are 2 x 2 x 2 = 8 combinations to go through and I would appreciate tips if anyone has already hit on a good one.
THE good one (-:

Any point in flipping the fronts ?

 

[g a f]

This is my plow set-up it's a Ferguson 2x12
I have my wheels set with the centers dished out and the spacers on the inside of the centers. It plows great and my right tires sit right in the furrows.
I used to hate plowing, but the draft system on this tractor is the best I've ever used. They all say so, but the Century/Branson system truely is set it and forget it.

 

[sweettractors]

I know, R1s are best for field work (-:
OK, given THAT...

Have any of you figured out the best wheel setting for a 2 x 14 plow on the Large frame (38, 42, 47) Kukjes ?
Can you get the right side wheels "just right" in the furrow ?

I've switched the wheel centers around, but it looks like there are 2 x 2 x 2 = 8 combinations to go through and I would appreciate tips if anyone has already hit on a good one.
THE good one (-:

Any point in flipping the fronts ?

According to the plow manuals I have, any 14 inch plow should have the right rear tire set 25 inches from the center of the tractor drawbar to the inside edge of the tire. Sometime I have had to adjust my front wheel setting also. This will make the first plow take 14 inches. Ken Sweet

 

[beenthere]

This is my plow set-up it's a Ferguson 2x12
I have my wheels set with the centers dished out and the spacers on the inside of the centers. It plows great and my right tires sit right in the furrows.
I used to hate plowing, but the draft system on this tractor is the best I've ever used. They all say so, but the Century/Branson system truely is set it and forget it.

Your R-4's look to be wider than 12" to fit in the furrow.
But you say they fit. That's what is needed.

 

[Reg]

Your R-4's look to be wider than 12" to fit in the furrow.
But you say they fit. That's what is needed.

Well, Yeah~
17.5 L 24 is going to be wider than a 14 inch furrow too (-:

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Thanks everyone who replied, I'm thunkin'

 

[Reg]

According to the plow manuals I have, any 14 inch plow should have the right rear tire set 25 inches from the center of the tractor drawbar to the inside edge of the tire. Sometime I have had to adjust my front wheel setting also. This will make the first plow take 14 inches. Ken Sweet

Thanks Ken,
I will work from that.
The turfs are on right now and I just laid a tape across the draw bar and ran it out to the inner edge of a tire, 17 inches.
The turfs are a tiny bit wider than the R4s 18 inches vs 17.5

Lets see if this figures;
If I have 34 inches BETWEEN my rear tires and 2x18 outside that my total width right now should be 70 inches.
The manual says the track is 52 inches - center to center, so that checks out if the rims are not dished/offset.

With R4s the manual says I can get 48 to 60 inches center to center.
I think that means 30 - 17.5/2 = 21.25 is the farthest I can get the inside edge of my tires out from center.
DANG, can't get to 25.

Same arithmetic for the R1s;
Max center to center 59 inches.
With a 12.4 28 tire;
29.5 - 6.2 = 23.3
DANG, closer, but still can't get to the magic 25.

So, does this mean no 14 inch plows for our Kukje tractors ?
I was hoping for a 2 x 14 toy this year and MIGHT have sprung for a new set of R1s.
I don't think there are any 3x12 plows ?

 

[sweettractors]

Thanks Ken,
I will work from that.
The turfs are on right now and I just laid a tape across the draw bar and ran it out to the inner edge of a tire, 17 inches.
The turfs are a tiny bit wider than the R4s 18 inches vs 17.5

Lets see if this figures;
If I have 34 inches BETWEEN my rear tires and 2x18 outside that my total width right now should be 70 inches.
The manual says the track is 52 inches - center to center, so that checks out if the rims are not dished/offset.

With R4s the manual says I can get 48 to 60 inches center to center.
I think that means 30 - 17.5/2 = 21.25 is the farthest I can get the inside edge of my tires out from center.
DANG, can't get to 25.

Same arithmetic for the R1s;
Max center to center 59 inches.
With a 12.4 28 tire;
29.5 - 6.2 = 23.3
DANG, closer, but still can't get to the magic 25.

So, does this mean no 14 inch plows for our Kukje tractors ?
I was hoping for a 2 x 14 toy this year and MIGHT have sprung for a new set of R1s.
I don't think there are any 3x12 plows ?

25 is what the book says and is worth shooting for, however, I bet most tractors are plowing within a range of couple inches either way. For what it is worth, 12 inch plows are suppose to at 23 1/2 inch and 16 inch are suppose to be at 27 inches. Ken Sweet

 

[Reg]

Thanks again Ken,

Here's a link to an old time set up that uses inside rear tire width.
Preparing Plow for Use:

It makes sense that the inside edge of the right hand rear tire is the reference point and from the table here ...well, it can be dangerous to extrapolate if you get TOO FAR outside the range of applicability, but just maybe 42 1/2 between tires could/would work out on 14 inch bottoms.
What is "lost" is the overlap that the front bottom has with the previous pass because the tractor isn't far enough to the left.
No big deal, the front bottom is effectively a 12, 11, or 10 because it is plowing a few inches of air.

One thing I need to keep reminding myself of is that there isn't much chance to adjust left/right with the check chains before they hit against the inside edges of the R4s.
Hmmmm, maybe there is an answer right there ?
If I remove the left check chain perhaps I could let out the right one enough and NOT have the left one hitting a tire..... perhaps.
Thunkin' needed here, but right now I'm not convinced that I need the left check chain on for plowing.
Safety police please weigh in - SERIOUSLY.

 

[sweettractors]

Thanks again Ken,

Here's a link to an old time set up that uses inside rear tire width.
Preparing Plow for Use:

It makes sense that the inside edge of the right hand rear tire is the reference point and from the table here ...well, it can be dangerous to extrapolate if you get TOO FAR outside the range of applicability, but just maybe 42 1/2 between tires could/would work out on 14 inch bottoms.
What is "lost" is the overlap that the front bottom has with the previous pass because the tractor isn't far enough to the left.
No big deal, the front bottom is effectively a 12, 11, or 10 because it is plowing a few inches of air.

One thing I need to keep reminding myself of is that there isn't much chance to adjust left/right with the check chains before they hit against the inside edges of the R4s.
Hmmmm, maybe there is an answer right there ?
If I remove the left check chain perhaps I could let out the right one enough and NOT have the left one hitting a tire..... perhaps.
Thunkin' needed here, but right now I'm not convinced that I need the left check chain on for plowing.
Safety police please weigh in - SERIOUSLY.

In a percet plowing setup, the plow should follow the centerline of the tractor automatically and check chains would only come into play when a object or harder soil is hit. A plow should never be locked in position by stabilizer bars or check chains. Ken Sweet

 

[Reg]

Duhh,
I knew that (-:

OK, time to stop fussin' and start buyin'
Thanks for all your attention to this, I will shop your site FIRST.
Freight might be a deal breaker, I'm in Mass at zip code 01752.