Pole barn Electric and insulation

[shinefreak]

Hi,
I need to finish of the interior of my 24x40 pole barn and I am trying to decide if I should do it myself. I am capable of doing a lot of the grunt work myself but live a long way from the job site and have limited time to boot. I would like to be buttoned up for this winter and I am leaning towards spending money rather than time.
With this in mind here is an estimate I got. Can anyone offer an opinion as to whether they think this is a fair bid. It seems high to me but maybe materials are more than I think. The job site is in upstate NY.

1-insert rubber gasket sealer between existing metal siding and concrete floor, around whole building
2-construct 2x6x10' studding around entire ( exterior) solid wall perimeter ( approx 100 running feet)
3-insulate 2x6x10' studding around entire (exterior) solid wall perimeter ( approx 100 running feet) with 6 1/2 x16" kraft faced insulation
4- construct 2x4x10' interior wall (approx 34 running feet)
5- insulate 2x4x10' interior wall (approx 34 running feet) with 3 1/2 x 16" kraft faced insulation
6- insulate 24x40 ceiling with 6 1/2 x 24" kraft faced insulation
7- install 1/2" x 4' x 8' foil faced sheathing on entire interior and exterior walls and ceiling
8- install 5/8" plywood 4ft high around entire interior and exterior walls
9- tape all seams for foil faced sheathing
10-install 24" x 10' drop down stairs
11-install 2 exterior lights w/ sensors on each end of garage and 2 switch controls located on 1st floor
12-install 2 exterior outlets located at front and rear of garage (GFCI Protected)
13- install 2 standard light fixtures on second floor with switch control at top of drop down stairs
14-install 6 8' flourescent (2 bulb) w/ cold weather start ballasts ( as indicated on floor plan)
15-install 1 ceilng outlet for future garage door opener as indicated on floor plan
16-install 14 20amp outlets throughout building as indicated on floor plan
17-install 1 220 amp outlet in location indicated on floor plan
18-install 1 phone outlet in location indicated on floor plan
19-install 2 110v lines for 2 heaters (heaters not supplied)
20-install 2 switches inside entrance door to proposed work shop controlling 2 overhead flourescent lights, independently
21-install 2- 2way switches for overhead lights in open area located at both ends of building ( controlled by either switch)
22- install 1 switch to control 1 overhead light as indicated on blue print
23- install 2 thermostat wires for heating control
24- install one 200amp service panel with up to 30 available breakers, this includes all circuit breakers needed to satisfy all proposed electrical service (200amp main breaker, 50 amp breaker for 220 outlet, 5or6 20 amp breakers and 1 15amp breaker
25- install all necessary components on exterior of building to satisfy elec company requirements ( pan/ mast and wiring )
26- install 30" prehung luan door between proposed room and open garage area

All material used on this proposal will be the best available (no economy material used)

total cost for this proposal includes labor and materials listed, as well as incidentals( bulbs, switch plates, outlet covers) $11,200.

 

[bczoom]

shinefreak,

First, welcome to TBN.

On your project, I have a couple questions.

# 8. What's going to be on the top 6' of wall? Just the polyisocyanurate (1/2" sheeting)?

Is part of the building sectioned off into a work area?

It sounds like you're going to heat the entire thing. Is there a reason for this or do you need to just heat the work area?

What is the floor material (dirt, concrete...)?

Is electric, phone... already run to the building?

For the ceiling, maybe I missed it but I only see insulation. Is plywood or something going up as well?

There's mention of a 2nd floor. Is this just a storage area? Will the insulation be under the 2nd floor or up at the roof?

What do you plan on using for heating? (I see 2 110v lines being pulled).

I think $11,200 is a bit high.

Brian

 

[shinefreak]

#8 Yes for now just the sheeting.

The building is now all open but part of the bid is to section off a work area
The floor is concrete
Electric needs to be run to the building from pole. The utility does this, all other electric work for building is part of estimate.
The ceiling is getting the sheeting also.
second floor is just storage, insulation is under floor, only thing being done up there is lighting
I going to have two overhead propane heaters on in work arear one for rest of building.
Thanks for your reply.

 

[bczoom]

OK, I now understand the idea. Very close to what I did.

I still think the quote is too high.

Can you compile a materials list and see what it would cost to buy it yourself?

Labor wise, I only see about 3 or 4 days effort.
1 day (2 people) frame all the walls
1 day (2 people) for all the electric
1 day (2 people) to insulate and hang plywood.
1 day (1 person) to hang doors and stuff.
7 man days. Let's say $300 per man day = $2100 in labor.

Not to change your design but a couple general thoughts.
The 1/2" foam board only offers about R-2.7. Have you considered dropping that from the plan and using OSB plywood everywhere instead? If you dropped the foam and switched the 5/8" to 1/2" the price may be close.

Can the stairs be substituted by use of a ladder?

Before all the insulation goes in the ceiling, you may want to pull the line for the propane to the heaters.

Are your garage doors insulated? If not, the 1" poly insulation works well tucked into the panels.

For #13, if you're going the full 40', you may want to put at least 1 more light up there. (put one every 10' since no natural light will be up there).

For #19, depending on the heater, you may want/need an inline switch. For my Reznor's, power to wall switch then from switch to furnace. Without it, the heater will come on once it hits the limit on the thermostat.

Brian

 

[shinefreak]

Materials list: I had planned on this, the labor estimate helps.

OSB, I will consider this.

Ladder: I have a 4x4 door upstairs for big stuff and probably could get by, but I like the idea of being able to have my hands free to get up and down with something small.

My neighbor ( a retired plumber) has placed himself in charge of this. He has ordered the heaters and has a key so I think he has this covered. I'll mention it to him along with the switch idea.

Doors are insulated.

There are windows on both ends of the upstairs that let's in a fair amount of light, this won't be a workshop or used at night anyway.

When you say too high to are we talking hundreds or thousands? The fellow who gave me the estimate is a friend of my neighbor who has done quite a bit for me. My neighbor watches my house, has hooked up the water line to the barn, plowed an 800 ft driveway many times, is giving me a bunch of trees to help with drifting, and generally taken me under his wing. A small premium wouldn't kill me and being neighborly has been more than worth it so far. Again, thanks for your thoughts

 

[SPIKER]

Hey there:

this is about what I ahve to get going SOON, as I want concrete in by end of year & lower half framed & insulated.

what things I saw. (SORRY NO NUMBERS in my head)

Electrical, it is concrete floor this requires NEC to be GFI protected outlets as concrete floors are not insulated. must be GFI in a garage or anywhere the flooring is unfinished concrete painting is not considered finished by the book from what I was told... craft faced 16" installed between 2x6x10 that means you are using full 2x6 wall studs and insualting on 16" ctrs. that is over kill unless this is going to be a house. 24" ctrs are easier there and still can use the craft faced or install vapor barriewr though the foil is good for that too. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif the wall down middle was insulated too. this is needed for only heating one side? or simply for sound deadning? if for sound then there is insulation for sound which cost may be different?


someone said framing walls in one day? he must be full time carpenter with a crew of helpers. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif it seems to take me forever, 1. think about how to lay out wall, start getting lumber drop lumber on floor & have it bounce on foot, cuse some. get nail gun & hook up to compressor. drop nail gun onto other foot curse more. get studs set up & cut to desired lenght, cut them several more time still finding them too short start over with new studs. rant & toss about a few items. get studs cut to right lenght get nail gun find there are no nails left for it, try & find keys to truck so I cen go & get nails, forget & leave door of barn open. hurry back so no one will steal anything get speeding ticket attempt to explain the problem to the officer, and recieve a 30 min lecture about speeding and then get the ticket grumble curse & toss ticket onto the seat surrying back home. open door have ticket fly out and get blown 1/2 mile down road with me chasing it. catch ticket only to wonder WHY rant all way back to shop. see when I get there someone took the nail gun curse rant wad up the ticke tossing it someplace only to forget where it went later so they can issue a summons. get back to store to get new nail gun seeing same cop giving some other poor sucket a lecture pull up and tell him I was ripped off only to have him give me a 2nd ticket for not having my seat belt on as I aws too frusterated to put it on. head back to get new nail gun only to find once returning home it doesn't use the same type of nails I had just bought. Pick up new nail gun & nails to take them back to store and pick up cell phone to call for a builder to come and put up the walls right and only take one hour doing it. get stopped by the same cop for a 3rd time for driving & talking on cell phone plead for mercy and leanyentcy (cop noticed crumpled up other two tickets on floor bord and won't hear about it seems he things that I have an attitude problem. call lawer from jail for bail & representation get back to shop to find croocks took the New nail gun & old nails out of the truck which was towed home after my arrest and conviction estimated cost for the wall 13K in fines leagal fees lost & stolen tools material and a day job by the contractor of 280 bucks.. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

ok all fictinal but sounded like my life lol ;D

MakrM