Poly Pavement Driveway

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PTRich

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A few years ago I posted a thread on Polypavement. It is a material that you dilute with water and mix into dirt, compact and let dry. I bought a pallet of it and going to give it a try in 2 weeks. I plan to cover my driveway with stone dust and mix the Poly into that. I have not decided wether to use a plate compactor or a small roller. I am leading towards the compactor because I have free use of it and really do not want to do more than a 100 feet at a time. I also need to make something to put down the liquid. Probably a barrel with PVC piping drilled every 6 inches. I can keep that in the back of the Gator for dispersion. I will keep posting as I progress.
 
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I'll be interested to follow this thread- I checked out their website when you posted in the past and may want to do a portion of our driveway and path between the shop (when it's built) and the house.
 
   / Poly Pavement Driveway #3  
PTRich said:
I will keep posting as I progress.
I would be VERY interested in your progress, and pictures if you can post them. I'm planning a 'fitness trail' on the property and would love to use PolyPavement as the trail base.

Are you using a vegetation killer first, to make sure there is nothing growing where your driveway is going? What type of soil do you have? I've seen that some of these products are good for clay, others for sand, others for loam. There are many different brands out there, PolyPavement brand would work for me.
 
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I too am very interested in your results, please keep us informed and pictures, pictures, pictures!

Thanks,

Matt
 
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PTRich,
I think I rad that thread. I looked at the product but realized that it was to heavy for me to bring over to France. Good Luck, and please do keep up with pictures and sharing. I am very interested in your project.
 
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I've used this product and I does not work. I was contracted to place this product at the Huntington Museum of Art in Huntington, WV. I was reluctant to use this product due in large part to the lack of references to sucessful use in my area. The owner persisted. After I placed the product and it subsequently failed the owner called Poly pavement about the failure and poly pavement have a laundry list of excuses that placed the blame on me for not installing the product correctly, which I did according to their instructions on the website and consulted with their tech support just to be sure. They told the owner I should've sent them a soil sample (not on the website), among other excuses.
After these unfortunate events I investigated this product further and found only two direct references to it that wasn't from the manufacturer themselves. Both of which weren't favorable, here are links to the refernces:Memorial to Irish Fortitude Comes Undone in New York - The New York Times 5th and 6th paragraphs and Corrales Comment - Local Village News, Issues, Events & Ads - Trails Advocates Want Downtown Pathways Project last paragraph. Further their reference to USACE Technical Report GL-93-25 does not refer to the product's ability to provide a paved surface but refers to dust control.
This misrepresentation alone is good evidence that the product does not do what they claim it does.
 
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This is the first I have heard of PolyPavement. In the area where I live the county has put down a 2 mile test section of what they called "Soil Cement". This test section is on a 60 mph gravel/dirt road. They maintain the road good, it is wide and smooth with good drainage.
The area with the "soil cement" was graded,with proper moisture and compacted. It is great and has held up like a paved road for going on 3 years now. I read on the internet they use soil cement for Helipads in Iraq.
I should say I am in an area that I can make "adobe blocks" with the dirt in this area. I would think the type of soil being treated will have a big effect on the outcome. Terry
 
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This is the first I have heard of PolyPavement. In the area where I live the county has put down a 2 mile test section of what they called "Soil Cement". This test section is on a 60 mph gravel/dirt road. They maintain the road good, it is wide and smooth with good drainage.
The area with the "soil cement" was graded,with proper moisture and compacted. It is great and has held up like a paved road for going on 3 years now. I read on the internet they use soil cement for Helipads in Iraq.
I should say I am in an area that I can make "adobe blocks" with the dirt in this area. I would think the type of soil being treated will have a big effect on the outcome. Terry
This is not the same as PolyPavement.
Basically Soil cement is the same as any other cement except you use dirt instead of sand and gravel.
 
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I've used this product and I does not work. I was contracted to place this product at the Huntington Museum of Art in Huntington, WV. I was reluctant to use this product due in large part to the lack of references to sucessful use in my area. The owner persisted. After I placed the product and it subsequently failed the owner called Poly pavement about the failure and poly pavement have a laundry list of excuses that placed the blame on me for not installing the product correctly, which I did according to their instructions on the website and consulted with their tech support just to be sure. They told the owner I should've sent them a soil sample (not on the website), among other excuses.
After these unfortunate events I investigated this product further and found only two direct references to it that wasn't from the manufacturer themselves. Both of which weren't favorable, here are links to the refernces:Memorial to Irish Fortitude Comes Undone in New York - The New York Times 5th and 6th paragraphs and Corrales Comment - Local Village News, Issues, Events & Ads - Trails Advocates Want Downtown Pathways Project last paragraph. Further their reference to USACE Technical Report GL-93-25 does not refer to the product's ability to provide a paved surface but refers to dust control.
This misrepresentation alone is good evidence that the product does not do what they claim it does.

One of the main requirements in a successful PolyPavement application is soil suitability. PolyPavement is designed to be used on soils that are naturally cohesive and compactible and absorb water well. Obviously, soils with high gravel content and/or heavy clay content represent soils on both sides of the spectrum that would be considered unsuitable. Unfortunately, because PolyPavement relies heavily on local contractors to be qualified enough to understand the basics of soil work, compaction and absorbtion we can't insure proper installation in situations where a contractor fails to do his/her homework or is not forthright with his/her lack of understanding (as was the case with "geruhmyuh").
"Geruhmyuh" is failing to acknowledge the truth about his responsibility and is attempting to use "references" to discredit PolyPavement, but the answer is really very simple: Polypavment will not work on unsuitable soil, and "geruhmyuh" attempted to use it an unsuitable soil. Our website goes into great detail about what a suitable soil is and is not. In all likelyhood, "geruhmyuh" simply failed to do his due diligence. It's common for someone who doesn't want to take responsibility to attempt to point to other situations similar to their own as "proof", but truth is, "geruhmyuh" was responsible for insuring that his soil would actually work (we gladly test any soil for free) but instead, failed to do so, rushed out to do the job and faced the consequences of his own irresponsibility.
Regarding PolyPavement, the job in New York was in 2003, and the contractor referenced in the article was actually similar to "geruhmyuh" in that he used soil that was practically pure clay (PolyPavement itself is not "clay-like"). As mentioned, pure clay presents a multitude of problems and we try to avoid it at all times. The other project he mentions simply said their "test failed." We recommend to our customers that they first do a self-demo test to determine that PolyPavement meets their expectations and that the customer can, in fact, complete the application as required. If their test fails and the customer does not use PolyPavement, it does not mean PolyPavement does not work, it means they encountered difficulties (likely with soil conditions) they could not or did not want to overcome.
PolyPavement remains the same. It is a revolutionary, "high-tech" soil-binder that always does the same thing; binds soil particles together, as long as the particles are thoroughly coated and there are sufficient fine particles to fill the voids it will do it's job, and usually give you an end result that is about twice as strong as asphalt.
PolyPavement has been on the market now for 13 years plus 7 prior years of field applications developing the application processes that we provide and must be followed. It seems logical that if PolyPavement did not work there would be many, many more problem projects and complaints than the two mentioned by "geruhmyuh".
Our suggestion is still the same for anyone wanting to use PolyPavement: test it to make sure you like it, make sure your contractor actually knows what he's doing, and please, don't knock it until you've tried it.

The PolyPavement Tech
 
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Trutech,
Do you have a representing company with a guy named Kip selling your product in Banning / Riverside County? I know him and the product, but was wondering if it is the same.

I was in Iraq for the first 6 months of OIF and our unit was responsible for establishing forward airbases and refueling points. We tested a soil cement (per manufacturers install specs) that was not polypavement... It did work well for dust abatement when up against natural wind. However, when tested for a landing pad chuncks of sand/rock the size of a fist would break loose and fly at Marines and equipment. It did not get a good review for use in those soils conditions. Talking with the rep mentioned above, it sounds like the product works best when used in soils that have a blend with some aggregate. Poly pavement does not like to call their product soil cement, because it is not completely rigid like concrete; but instead more like asphalt pavement (with twice the compressive strength). However, it sounds like it works best when the native soils have an aggregate blended to help lock the pavement together (like both concrete and asphalt pavement).

It should be noted that the soil cement we used overseas was obviously used with the native soils since it is unrealistic to blend with aggregate in an expeditionary situation.
 
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