pond aka "water feature"

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schmism

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So we are thinking we want to add a small pond. What others may call a "water feature" to the yard.

I posted over on pond boss thinking it was a great place to post such a question but.... not so much :( turns out most of the guys over there are into real ponds...measured in acers, not gallons ;)

Pond Boss: noob question

so with little advise trickling in over there, i thought i would post the same question over hear....

Looking for advise on size, flavor, filters (yes/no), tips, tricks, pros/cons of plastic premolded shape vs ruber/pvc liner.... all that...

goal you ask?

1) something to look at to keep a few gold fish in
2) double as a bird bath (we have lots of birds on the property, and im looking to attract more)
3) place for the labs to cool off for a quick dip....
 
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We install the Aquascape designs stuff.

I agree with about 95% of thier stuff, and they are probably right about the other 5% I just probably do not have enough experience. :D

My advice.

Buy big, 11 X 16 as an absolute minimum.

DONT FEED THE FISH... We have more problems out of ponds we install with people feeding the fish then anything else. Even after you tell them NOT to feed the fish (except for entertainment, and then sparingly.)

GOOD pumps mater.

Water makes a great level... make sure you have your level right before you put in the water or you will find your error. :p

Rocks are expensive. Not sure what kind of advice you are looking for particularly, but one of the things many of our "would be" customers miss, is just how much it costs to put one together properly. Do it all on paper a couple times, then add a big margin. Aquascape designs stuff is really good for this because you tend to hit all the points in planning.
 
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JazzDad said:
Do you have raccoons in your area?

In theory yes... but none that ive layed eyes on... Ive seen tracks in the winter, but thats it.

advise? just about everything.... I figure theres someone thats done it before and made the mistakes already so lets find out what those were :D
 
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What's your budget? How handy are you? Surface Size?

Don't go to small!!!! BIGGER IS BETTER!!

I started a pond/patio project this Spring. It was the final justification to the wife for a tractor :) Mine is coming along slowly, but I am making progress now that digging is done. It will be roughly 5' diameter and 2' deep so 300gals of water with a waterfall 3-4' high set into the hillside. I started out with a 150gal and after I was half finished it looked really small so I started over again. We're going with a 15'x30' stained and stamped concrete patio in coloring similar to the retaining wall.
http://www.johnpinnell.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=727

I was shocked when I started pricing liners, pumps, filters, skimmer, etc. Seems like every item is $100+ and it all adds up. At the minimum you'll need a liner, pump, and a filter. A skimmer would be a good idea too. you'll be in it for $500-$1000 if it's to be big enough for the dogs taking a dip.

Liner - I went with a RubberMaid 300gal stock tank ($190) that will be sank in the ground almost completely. The rock wall will ring the pond and overhang the edge to hide the stock tank. We have lots of animals around, neighborhood dogs, etc. I wanted a rigid liner with our rocky soil and the risk of puncture if an animal fell in. When/if it does leak years down the road it won't be difficult to add a plastic liner later.

Filter/Skimmer - $150-250ea (making both on my own for $50ea) you'll want something to keep the water clear. I suggest a biofilter of some sort, but that requires a continous running pump. You can make one of these yourself. Read up here: http://www.skippysstuff.com/biofiltr.htm and it's easy to scale up or down in size.

Pump - $100 - unless it's just going to be a water feature with plants only you'll need a pump to aerate things for the fish. An important thing to look at is power requirements. The new mag drive pumps run on mere watts and are worth the extra initial cost as they will use less power. You'll need to calculate your flow needs, head, etc to get the right size. Ideally you want the pond volume to circulate completely in 2-3hrs so base your pump from that.

Plants - you'll want some lilies and anachris for oxygen and nitrate removal, especially with your plan for fish. Some plants are submerged and others need to be near the surface. That's why you see the preformed ponds with 2 different levels. Since mine is 1 level I'll place some structure in the pond for fish cover and setting surface plants on.

Electric - you'll need it for pump and probably lights to. I plan to run a seperate cicuit and put it on a 20A GFCI Breaker. Plan for your conduit run before you start laying the design out.

Alternative Materials - Keep an eye out for things that will work with modification. I'm making my own skimmer and filter using a couple of PVC Shower Drains and a large square buckets for $50 in materials as opposed to $250. If you aren't having fish then I've heard rubber roofing material is cheaper than a true pond liner, but you may need to run it through a season or 2 and change the water out several times before adding fish.

Landscaping - I'm getting rock from the local quarry for $15 all you can load by hand (need 7-8loads for the wall) on Sat mornings. You'll need a load of sand for putting under the liner to level things out. Having things level is very important. Whats around the pond is more important than the water itself. If it doesn't "look" right it'll just be a whole in the yard.

Water Levels - If you plan on a waterfall you'll need a liner under that too. Otherwise you'll quickly pump the pond dry. Also allow for wind if you're using a fountain. A torrential downpour could cause an overflow so you need a plan for diverting surface run off away from the pond.

I'll know more when mine is finished this fall.
 
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Here's one that the wife & I built on our back patio. Never done one before and never done one since.

Found the spillway rock on the farm (as well as ALL the rest of them) The spillway rock cleaved from a much larger rock & had a flat bottom. I just KNEW I might use it somewhere so I picked it up too.

Unseen in pic is a drain which the wife thought was CRAZY...until the first hard downpour we had and the patio flooded but the pond stayed the same! I'd suggest as been said, some kind of drainage.

I also now wish I'd put in some kind of automatic float valve. As it is, I have to toss the hose into it every now & then. Not a major deal but been nice to have it automated. (we've got several irrigation lines criss crossing the back and would have been VERY easy to add another line to the pond)

Pump: When I went to store & bought the pump, I TOLD them what it was for. A year later after the pump died, I went back, told them again what it was for and got a higher GPH pump (I think it might be 1/2 horse?)

It lasted a couple years and died last year.

This spring I finally went back to replace it again...they were out of stock. Good thing for me as I used that delay as my opportunity to go online & find out they've been selling me the wrong kind of pumps all along!! :mad:

Don't let them give you a sump pump with a float and on/off switch. Get a pump rated for continuous duty. Took me 2 dead pumps to learn that lesson and what irks me the most is, I was very candid about what I was doing and using it for. Point being, they (the "experts") should have known that a sump pump wasn't the right animal.

Don't do this... I originally put a 1-way valve in the middle of the pipes (under the rocks on the right side of pond) That fall when the leaves fell I realized how dumb it was to have put the valve in the MIDDLE of the pipe. I had to dig it up by hand, chop out the valve (and the plugged leaves) and patch it back & replace all the rocks. Though I now don't have a valve in it, if/when I DO put one in, I will put it on the exit portion of the pipes in the upper level, this way I'll have access to it instead of the absurdity of having it buried :rolleyes:

Might add that the wife & I got all this done in about 3 months from a 100% mud back patio to what you see here, just in time for our wedding that we had on the patio. :D

I worked like a DOG during that time frame to get it done. In fact, these pictures were taken the day of our wedding
 

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looks like you used a "tarp type" liner as opposed to a preformed plastic "pool"?

yours is a submersible continous duty pump? or do you have an area underground that hids your "dry" pump?
 
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schmism said:
looks like you used a "tarp type" liner as opposed to a preformed plastic "pool"?

yours is a submersible continous duty pump? or do you have an area underground that hids your "dry" pump?

You are correct, we used two sections of that rubber tarp stuff made for this application. Used the glue or what ever it is, to seal them (also made the seam as close to the waterfall as I could so each pond would be a single piece.

The pump is a submersible continuous duty. I think it's a 1/2 horse (plugs into 110 volt) I've got some rocks that I put over the top of the pump to hide it visually. I made a ledge for it to sit under but by the time I put the pipes onto it, the ledge wasn't high enough for it to slide under :rolleyes: . Live & learn!
 
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Schmism,

Ponds are as much work or fun as you let them be. I have built many over the years. I have always used Roof Rubber. It will cost under $.50 a sq-ft. Go big and deep. Mine is 7-8' by 12', odd shaped. Mine is 32" deep. The deeper the beter the fish can cool off. most peaple worry about the winter but, it's the summer when the fish see the most stress. Don't over stock the pond, Koi grow real fast. With too many fish you are likely to loose them all quickly if the pump clogs or the power goes off.

The art to a pond is hiding the rubber at the edges with out a "ring of rocks" look. Don't worry about the rubber on the bottom or sides. In no time, they will be covered in a green layer!

Pumps; you have to basic options, 1) small pond pump with modest flow or 2) utility pump that looks like the garden hose is going full tilt. It takes a big pond to use a big pump.

dogs; They muck it up real quick. I let my dogs enjoy to pond but it settles out.
 
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I mentioned raccoons because we heard a story from a woman who installed a nice, large fountain in her water garden. Each night the area raccoons would come in and party, shower, and trash the place. That could be amusing, if you like raccoons a whole lot. :rolleyes:
 

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