Here we are back at the pond, now with liner and filled in. This was about 2 feet deep in the center, thanks to KK, Kubota, and Markham welding. Junkman, now is the time to tell me how SIMPLE and how much cleaner and quicker that would have been with your 23 and the backhoe. ACCIDENTALLY send that email to my better half, she dont believe me, says I just want a new toy