Power beyond on CaseIH 75c

screamin400 · Oct 16, 2019

Dealer is telling me there is no power beyond for a CaseIH 75c. They also tell me that is the case for all CaseIH Farmall series. They put a divider valve on my 75c and I hate it with the grapple. Does anyone have any ideas I may be able to come back at them with? 2 functions at once is not nearly as nice as 3. What did you guys use?

RNeumann · Oct 16, 2019

I’ll follow along cuz I don’t know. Typically the loader control would have a PB port. If yours doesn’t the control might be able to be changed. Again, I don’t know- just a general thought.

ericm979 · Oct 16, 2019

If it's open center (nearly all CUTs are but I don't know if this is a CUT) and there's 7 ports on the loader valve, one of them is power beyond. It usually leads to the 3pt which is often inside the very rear of the transmission case.

If there's no kit you may have to figure it out for yourself.

Even with a true 3rd function it's likely that you won't get the grapple to open/close at the same time the loader's going up or down and you're curling the bucket. Each set of cylinders is open to the same system pressure and the one with the least resistance will move first. Loader raise/lower and curl can be made to work at the same time reasonably well with with well designed and made loader valves but the 3rd function and grapple will probably not be balanced with them.

screamin400 · Oct 16, 2019

No pb port on any of the Farmall CaseIH tractors. My Mahindra has it and the grapple works 10 times better. I expected a more expensive tractor to have it. I guess not a deal breaker but kind of embarrassing for Case that my Mahindra would be my go to grapple tractor

RNeumann · Oct 16, 2019

What vintage is the Case?

screamin400 · Oct 16, 2019

RNeumann said:
What vintage is the Case?

2017 model

ptsg · Oct 16, 2019

If it's an open center system (Tractordata says it is), it will have power beyond.

It is just a matter of knowing where to tap into. A hydraulic diagram would definitely help.

I've been looking at online listings for the 75C, where they put loads of pictures. From what I could barely see of the loader valve, you can use the power beyond from that valve. We just need to identify the right hose, so you feed the 3rd function valve using that.

screamin400 · Oct 16, 2019

ptsg said:
If it's an open center system (Tractordata says it is), it will have power beyond.

It is just a matter of knowing where to tap into. A hydraulic diagram would definitely help.

I've been looking at online listings for the 75C, where they put loads of pictures. From what I could barely see of the loader valve, you can use the power beyond from that valve. We just need to identify the right hose.

Tractor is sitting at Case dealer now. Case themselves have now confirmed no power beyond on any CaseIH Farmall series. Not sure I have many options

LouNY · Oct 16, 2019

Per the CIH website the 75c is an open center system with 1 or 2 rear remotes,
they have a couple of different loader options.
The factory kit is a diverter type setup,
are you wanting to use a different loader valve with 3 spools or?

screamin400 · Oct 16, 2019

LouNY said:
Per the CIH website the 75c is an open center system with 1 or 2 rear remotes,
they have a couple of different loader options.
The factory kit is a diverter type setup,
are you wanting to use a different loader valve with 3 spools or?

I don't really know other than I want it to work like a power beyond. That is the way I purchased it in my mind but was never really discussed. Dealer is saying nothing can be done but they are looking into it more. Just looking to see what folks on here did so I may keep that in my back pocket