Primary Pump Failed?

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OldMF65

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Hello all, I've enjoyed reading your posts for some time and there is obviously quite a bit of knowledge represented here. Perhaps somebody can clarify something for me regarding what I suspect is a failed primary fuel pump on a diesel MF65.

A couple of weeks ago while doing some box-blading, it began to surge. I was smart enough (?) to know that I needed to get headed back towards the barn. I almost made it to the barn before the tractor just shut off. Suspecting a clogged filter I started with the sediment bowl. I drained it, cleaned it, and put it back on the tractor. I bled the lines through the primary filter, the secondary filter, and both bleed screws on the injector pump. When I tried to bleed the individual injector lines at the injectors themselves, I was never able to get a steady stream of fuel out of them. Only little dribbles now and then. I have pulled the tractor with my truck with the lines opened and still nothing more than a dribble of fuel from the lines. Two days ago, the last time I worked on it, I noticed something that hadn't been there before. There was a steady stream of fuel coming from the junction of the primary pump and the engine block immediately after I primied it with the handle. At this point there was sufficient pressure at the injector pump to again see a steady stream of fuel coming from the botton bleed screw. Considering the pump is leaking at the engine block I would say it has failed. However, if indeed it has failed why can I get plenty of fuel to the injector pump with it? Once fuel is at the injector pump, I would think that I could bleed the air from the injector lines and thereby start the tractor. I don't have a problem buying another pump, I'm just interested in what somebody with more experience has to say.. by the way, I have no idea what year model it is -- I can't find a serial number anywhere. It must have 1,000,000 hours on it. There's no tach, the power steering appears to have quite decades ago, the tie-rod ends are held on with electrical wire, and the seals are so bad that oil gushes out of the bellhousing on the slightest downhill grade. Still, it outworks my father's 235 at least by 3 to 1. I really like old junk! I'll be splitting it this next winter to correct some of the internals...
 
   / Primary Pump Failed? #2  
Primary pumps can "fail" a number of ways. Some of which still allow the tractor to run SOMETIMES. One "type" of failure of the diaphram will fill the crankcase with diesel fuel. Another failure can cause the system to draw air, ESPECIALLY at start-up. Or, fuel can leak out like yours. There's two chambers to the pump. It depends on which chamber is leaking as to how it fails. You can get a rebuild kit from AGCO/MF. It's a gasket and the diaphram. Last one I bought was $11 and change. New aftermarket pump isn't a lot more. There are a few basic configurations of the pumps used on those tractors. With or without a sediment bowl attached and a 2-bolt or 4-bolt base where it attaches to the block. Know which of those you have and a savvy MF parts man can do the rest.
 
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Thanks! I'll replace it and go from there.
 
   / Primary Pump Failed? #4  
Another thing to check is the fuel outlet in the fuel tank. I have seen several older models that would have trash blocking the outlet. Sometimes it will even move and let the tractor run good for a while and then clog again.
 
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It took a month to get the pump from AGCO. I picked it up today, installed it, and..........nothing. Still no fuel at the end of the injector lines. I disconnected them from the injector pump and spun the motor, again, nothing. I bled the system through both filters and both bleed screws on the injector pump. Still no fuel flowing from the injector pump to the lines. Off to search for info on injector pumps... I so do NOT want to spend $1,500 on an injector pump right now... Thanks for all the input fellas, I appreciate it.
 

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