PTO issues with new round baler

   / PTO issues with new round baler #1  

Gulogulo

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JD 5083E
Hey folks,

I have a JD 5083E and for better or worse, I ended up trading in my Krone Bellima round baler this year for a NH RB450 (4x5), and aside from feeling overwhelmed by the sheer amount of computer gadgetry that has to be calibrated, etc., I'm already (after only a few trial bales) having a PTO issue. I wonder if you'd be so kind as to weigh in.

About 1 out of every 10 times I pull the PTO knob with baler attached, the PTO will spin for only about one second and then die. The light stays on. If I cycle the knob again, it'll start up, sometimes with an audible 'clunk' before the spinning begins. Then it runs fine until the next time I switch the PTO off and start it again.

At first I thought the PTO valve or solenoid was acting up again (both were non-functional and replaced 5 years ago when the tractor had only 15 hrs on it), but in those days the PTO would act up regardless of what attachment I had on, and it was different -- it either wouldn't switch on at all, or it would switch on and then quit spinning after 10 or 20 minutes, somewhat at random, with the light still on.

Now, when I take the baler off and try a different implement, like my disc mower, the PTO runs fine and doesn't skip a beat. I've tried it probably 50 times.

I'm wondering whether, in your experience, a PTO can meet a certain amount of resistance and just, well, not want to spin. This baler is really, really heavy. Far heavier than older models -- just the drive-shaft alone is far beefier than anything else we have on the farm. Its minimum PTO requirement is 65 horse. My tractor puts out a max of 69 horse in the PTO.

I thought about starting the PTO at higher RPMs but don't want to risk damaging the tractor if the load is just too high.

But when the PTO does start and keep spinning, the tractor seems to run the baler no problem (granted, I haven't tried to stop while going down a hill with a full chamber).

Many thanks in advance for your wisdom.
 
   / PTO issues with new round baler #2  
Can't help, sorry. My JD 375 5x4 is all manual.
 
   / PTO issues with new round baler
  • Thread Starter
#4  
Another theory:
The salesman told me that some tractors don't have enough juice through the plug in the cab to run the bale monitor, and sometimes turning on the radio or something will cause the monitor to blip out. In those cases, they end up needing to wire the monitor all the way to the tractor's battery. So maybe the same can happen in reverse -- the monitor can suck enough juice that it causes the PTO switch to go nuts?

I can't tell whether this theory or the "PTO senses too much torque and won't go" theory is crazier.
 
   / PTO issues with new round baler #5  
Hey folks,

I have a JD 5083E and for better or worse, I ended up trading in my Krone Bellima round baler this year for a NH RB450 (4x5), and aside from feeling overwhelmed by the sheer amount of computer gadgetry that has to be calibrated, etc., I'm already (after only a few trial bales) having a PTO issue. I wonder if you'd be so kind as to weigh in.

About 1 out of every 10 times I pull the PTO knob with baler attached, the PTO will spin for only about one second and then die. The light stays on. If I cycle the knob again, it'll start up, sometimes with an audible 'clunk' before the spinning begins. Then it runs fine until the next time I switch the PTO off and start it again.

At first I thought the PTO valve or solenoid was acting up again (both were non-functional and replaced 5 years ago when the tractor had only 15 hrs on it), but in those days the PTO would act up regardless of what attachment I had on, and it was different -- it either wouldn't switch on at all, or it would switch on and then quit spinning after 10 or 20 minutes, somewhat at random, with the light still on.

Now, when I take the baler off and try a different implement, like my disc mower, the PTO runs fine and doesn't skip a beat. I've tried it probably 50 times.

I'm wondering whether, in your experience, a PTO can meet a certain amount of resistance and just, well, not want to spin. This baler is really, really heavy. Far heavier than older models -- just the drive-shaft alone is far beefier than anything else we have on the farm. Its minimum PTO requirement is 65 horse. My tractor puts out a max of 69 horse in the PTO.

I thought about starting the PTO at higher RPMs but don't want to risk damaging the tractor if the load is just too high.

But when the PTO does start and keep spinning, the tractor seems to run the baler no problem (granted, I haven't tried to stop while going down a hill with a full chamber).

Many thanks in advance for your wisdom.

I don't have a clue about your problem, BUT, I know of 3 farmers in this area that have had PTO problems with the Deere 5E tractor,
GOOD LUCK
 
   / PTO issues with new round baler #6  
I have a manual engagement on my 5083E and never had a problem with it. I know its not much help but its all I got!
 
   / PTO issues with new round baler #7  
Another theory:
The salesman told me that some tractors don't have enough juice through the plug in the cab to run the bale monitor, and sometimes turning on the radio or something will cause the monitor to blip out. In those cases, they end up needing to wire the monitor all the way to the tractor's battery. So maybe the same can happen in reverse -- the monitor can suck enough juice that it causes the PTO switch to go nuts?

I can't tell whether this theory or the "PTO senses too much torque and won't go" theory is crazier.

Have you considered wiring the baler monitor directly via a convenience plug to battery utilizing a circuit breaker or conducting a test by attaching monitor to a battery totally independent of the tractor???
 
   / PTO issues with new round baler #8  
Have you considered wiring the baler monitor directly via a convenience plug to battery utilizing a circuit breaker or conducting a test by attaching monitor to a battery totally independent of the tractor???

Something like this?? https:
//powerwerx.com/watt-meter-analyzer-inline-dc-powerpole?gclid=CKGsj62ks9QCFRQjgQod76ICVw
between the battery and monitor?
 

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