Quality in Hydraulics

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Yankee

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I thought I'd toss out a question as to what constitutes quality in tractor hydraulics. This was triggered by reading several posts recently opining that MF had "better" hydraulics. I asked about that in a recent thread, and a local (NH) dealer responded that MF runs their hydraulics at higher pressure.

Well, IS higher pressure "better"? It seems that too many variables come into play to make this a determining factor - like the quality of the components, size & flow vs. pressure, circuit design, etc.

What do you look at when evaluating quality in a hydraulic system?
 
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QUALITY is one most difficult words there is. Because the definition of quality depends on so many factors....like preference, expectation, consistancy, cost, lifespan, reliability, etc etc....

A good quality hydraulic pump could actually be oine with a shorter life spasn than one with a longer life span.....because who wants to pay extra for a pump on a splitter, that have many years left, when the rest of the splitter is so worned out so it is worth less????

I concider McDonalds have very high quality food, because I can get exactly what I expect, every time I buy that Big Mac!!

With only one word, I would say, QUALITY is when you get exactly what you expect or better (GOOD QUALITY) for your money!!

This is of course just my opinion on this word Quality, I think it is easy to call a lot of stuff bad quality, when stuff in reality is just as good as you could have expected, if you checked it out before the purchase.....I can't answer all your questions, but I will give it a try on a few of them....

I thought I'd toss out a question as to what constitutes quality in tractor hydraulics. This was triggered by reading several posts recently opining that MF had "better" hydraulics. I asked about that in a recent thread, and a local (NH) dealer responded that MF runs their hydraulics at higher pressure.

Well, IS higher pressure "better"?
You pay extra for higher pressure, but also for lower pressure....

Higher pressure takes less material (weight/mass), if you design for the same power/force rating....this is usually confusing for most people because, higher pressure should take "thicker" material...example...a 1/2" RA2 hose can take more pressure than a 3/4" RA2 hose, even though the 3/4" have bigger diameter and contain more material....but the fact is that both are 2 wire hoses....

A 3000psi/10gpm pump, is heavier/more expensive than a 2000psi/10gpm pump.....but a 3000psi/30hp pump is lighter than a 2000psi/30hp pump.....

Hydraulic systems are inefficient when it comes to power, and the reason is internal leakage and flow restriction. Internal leakage increases with higher pressure, and flow restriction increases with higher flow.... with no doubt, allways, high pressure comes out more efficient than high flow.

So the answer on your question, about "if higher pressure is better", it depends on preferens....with higher pressure allows lighter/less mass equipment, that cost less fuel to run. But it will cost a little extra to get it...so if you are purchasing a tractor for 2000hrs usage per year in 5-6 years....I definately would go high pressure, but for a tractor that are going to sit cold most of the days....I might concider a cheaper low pressure piece...

It seems that too many variables come into play to make this a determining factor - like the quality of the components, size & flow vs. pressure, circuit design, etc.

What do you look at when evaluating quality in a hydraulic system?

I would first look at how I plan to use the tractor, commercially or occationly??

Intensive commersial usage will take higher "quality" in terms of reliability, maintenance down time, cost of operation, warranty, maneuverability, control system, flexibility etc....and that usually means a constant high pressure, load sensing system with joy stick controls etc....

Another factor is manufacturer reputation on hydraulic components....and that is usually a matter of preference.....REXROTH or PARKER?? etc etc..

Hope other fill in on this one!!:thumbsup:
 
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If you talking about ag machinery I believe JD is running their systems 3,000 - 3,500 PSI.

Biggest problem with running higher pressure is are your implement cylinders rated for this pressure. A lot of Ag cylinders, especially ones that are 10 years old or more are only rated to 2,500 PSI.

I suspect some of the foreign cylinders and implements are probably not rated over 2,500 PSI either.

Most low speed High Torque motors used on augers etc are pressure limited also. Cheaper Char-Lynn are only rated to 1,500 - 2,000 PSI.

I agree with AKKAman on the quality is subjective.

I believe most industrial machinery is running 3500 PSI or higher today.

Roy
 
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I would say that quality of hydraulics is a perception based on facts, observations, and use there of. One person quality ratings may be different than yours, so there has to be some rules in judging quality. There are so many variables. Most of us, you and them look at a hyd pump on a tractor, and have no idea who makes it, the pressure limits, and type pump, etc. We just hope it works like it is supposed to. One might say that his tractor hydraulics are super, and the next person will say, mine leaks some, and another might say the hydraulics are poor to unbelievable. You can, fix some things and improve the quality. If you had to install three different pumps in three similar system, doing the same thing, and they all lasted 2000 hrs doing the job they were designed for, you would have to say the quality on all three was about equal. Now if one of the pumps had to be changed out three times in the same amount of time, then you would to say that that pump was inferior. One needs lots of facts to be able to select a quality item. Some people might go by what someone told them.

Hydraulic quality is very subjective. However if you ask a question about this pump or that pump, then you are trying to obtain an answer to add to your knowledge and complete your own perception about quality.
 

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